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Can it work with Linux? That's all I care about.
by giancarlostoro 5mo ago
Can it work with Linux? That's all I care about.
- newsclues 5mo agoThis is strangely absent from the news.
- wtallis 5mo agoThere are two new things being announced here: the GB10 chip being put into laptops, and GB10 running Windows. GB10 running Linux is not news, it's a product that's been shipping since last fall.
- tarruda 5mo agoI don't think there's any incentive for Nvidia to make this a Windows-only device, so most likely it will be fully supported on Linux, just like their GPUs are.
- Matl 5mo ago> just like their GPUs are So with proprietary blobs that give you more trouble that they're worth?
- wmf 5mo agoThose blobs are worth $5T; show some respect.
- HerbManic 5mo agoDepends. It is the typical Nvidia problem. Everything is a black box but when it all works it is the best option available. But when it breaks, you hate them with a passion.
- lmm 5mo agoWhat trouble? If you want a GPU that works on Linux, let alone FreeBSD, you buy nVidia, install their drivers and get on with your life (and sure, maybe you can't use Wayland, but why would you want to?). I'm all for open-source in theory, but in practice the AMD drivers cause far more trouble than the nVidia ones ever do.
- abenga 5mo agoAfter I switched from Nvidia to AMD GPUs on my main rig, I can now run Sid without issue and upgrade my Kernel whenever I want to without getting a black screen with a blinking cursor on the next boot.
- freedomben 5mo agoIndeed. Having a machine where I don't live in fear after every reboot is a killer feature for AMD
- lmm 5mo ago> Sid Are you refusing to use the Nvidia binary drivers and/or a setup like DKMS that ensures kernel modules are rebuilt as necessary? While I respect the principle, it's a problem you're creating for yourself. > upgrade my Kernel whenever I want to without getting a black screen with a blinking cursor on the next boot. Really? I had very much the opposite experience.
- abenga 5mo agoI installed the drivers according https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Yet every time a new kernel is released (note that this is new, new kernels, e.g. at the moment I am using 7.0.10, just one point release off the current tippy tip 7.0.11), whether or not Nvidia drivers would work after boot was a crapshoot. Maybe it's better now, seeing as they are trying to open source some part of the drivers, I guess. It got so troublesome at the time that I just got a 7800XT to replace my old 2070. Never had the issue again.
- bigstrat2003 5mo agoI've never had a single problem with my Nvidia GPUs on Linux.
- Matl 5mo agoIt can work quite well in the desktop GPU 'happy path' (single monitor etc.) if you don't care about the proprietary nature of it. But once we're talking about laptops, hybrid graphics etc. it quickly shows that this is not a platform Nvidia cares about.
- raudette 5mo agoAgree - but even for the basic use case, it has not been trouble free for me. With a simple 1080p display on a desktop running LTS Ubuntu on an older 3060: - I've had updates where stuff just stopped working and I had to futz around with drivers - Just the fact that you have to 'pick' from a selection of drivers (which one won't you hit issues with for your use case?) - At least on mine, there have been display glitches on suspend/resume - as it's a desktop, I just leave it running Just anecdotal, but I never had these issues with the desktop AMD APU I had before it or Intel on board graphics on numerous laptops.
- shmerl 5mo agoI wouldn't trust it to have good upstream support. It's Nvidia. So not really interested.
- browningstreet 5mo agoThey worked with Microsoft to make this commercially viable. That’s possibly reason enough.
- fulafel 5mo agoThere's also the precedent of the several ARM Linux systems they shipped that tended to have much worse support.
- dismalaf 5mo agoIt's a collaboration with Microsoft so going to say no, probably not.
- verdverm 5mo agoDGX Spark comes with linux out of the box, it would be hard to imagine this device is not also compatible
- kllrnohj 5mo agoDoesn't it come with Nvidia's blend of Ubuntu with a custom kernel? Do other distros work as well as "DGX OS" or are nvidia's kernel changes pretty important to have?
- cmrdporcupine 5mo agoI've not noticed much in it that is NVIDIA specific. But I would say that as an Ubuntu and Debian user for decades I have no incentive to use anything else on it and I'm just pleased to have a Linux on Aarch64 machine that is well supported for a change.
- verdverm 5mo agoafaict, they have their own package repo mirrors and a few dedicated packages for nvidia stuff tbh, I was rather unimpressed with the out-of-box experience for an "ai" computer, you couldn't even run a model locally with the common tools people use (no llama-cpp, ollama, vllm, etc). No huggingface CLI eiher, like come on! I did put together my eventual setup in a repo https://github.com/verdverm/sparky https://github.com/verdverm/sparky I need to update that because I have a nice vllm setup on there now with 4 models running, but should be able to get anyone else going without having to muddle about as I did.
- rnxrx 5mo agoFor some value of "well supported" - NVIDIA's own internal catalogs (libraries, NIMs, etc) are still spotty on aarch64 coverage.
- zipy124 5mo agoHopefully better than support on their Jetson or orin boards, where compiling anything is hard because of the outdated stack.
- fidotron 5mo agoHonestly this looks like Microsoft must have thrown a pile of money at them to not mention it, as it's just too obviously the main question. No one seriously cares about this running Windows. We want Steam and CUDA/Ollama, and Windows just gets in the way. nVidia are simply not that oblivious, but I have to admit in their position I'd have considered the Microsoft involvement more trouble than it's worth, which is among the many reasons I'm not a billionaire. Maybe they think the RAM market is so terrible it will kill the whole initiative regardless.
- pjmlp 5mo agoWSL is the answer in what most folks are concerned. Has Steam finally started to push for native Linux games instead of translating Windows ones?
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- drakythe 5mo agoValve did that little more than a decade ago, the original Steam Machines. It didn't take, and despite the success of the Deck and current techy trends, Linux does not have the % to make the ROI worthwhile if it isn't simple for developers. Proton is a wedge in the door that will help Linux get there.
- pjmlp 5mo agoIt is simple, Android NDK has all the same APIs for 3D rendering and audio, as do all major middleware engines. The failure of business, only reinforces Windows as the platform most studios reach for. Buy Windows, buy Visual Studio, pay game engines licenses, let Valve do the work. This ignoring that current Valve's management doesn't live forever, so who knows what happens afterwards.
- thewebguyd 5mo agoA potential change in Valve's culture/management aside, "let valve do the work" is a feature, not a bug. Studio spends all their budget targeting one platform (which still has ~90+% of the PC gaming market), and get Linux support for free. Windows' monopoly on game dev isn't just market share either, since game dev isn't just code. You still need Photoshop, Maya, etc. and in smaller studies there's typically a crossover where some devs are doing art as well. Visual Studio's C++ debugger is still one of the best, and the tooling elsewhere hasn't caught up yet (compared to DX + PIX). Then you also have to solve distribution and handling the fragmented display & audio stack. It's gotten a lot better, but its still a factor. I'm fine with most of the work going into Wine/Proton. A stable ABI for Linux is a boon, if it happens to be Win32 then so be it.
- eitally 5mo agoSort of. It's the same chipset as in the DGX Spark & DGX Station, which run Ubuntu (NVIDIA's flavor).
- acka 5mo agoSorry, but when it comes to chipsets, they're not even close. The DGX Spark uses a GB10 with 128 GB unified LPDDR5X memory, while the DGX Station has a GB300 with 496 GB LPDDR5X (CPU) + 252 GB HBM3e (GPU) memory. It's like Little League versus Major League, which is why the latter costs about 20 times more than the former. The fact that both run Linux is just because they're part of the same DGX family.
- chrsw 5mo agoI took "same" to mean "compatible driver and software stack" not "compute perf", rightly or wrongly.
- PcChip 5mo agoAn nvidia engineer in a discord server said it should work fine