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"Wait, we're getting an influx of new users, and they actively don't want us to run the most expensive part of our search results page?" Where can I find such
by jerf 4mo ago
"Wait, we're getting an influx of new users, and they actively don't want us to run the most expensive part of our search results page?"
Where can I find such accommodating customers myself?
- cassianoleal 4mo agoPretty much everywhere. AI is only popular with AI providers and delusional C-suites.
- miyoji 4mo agoHey, don't forget about all the programmers who are excited to help destroy their own livelihoods for no extra compensation.
- elzbardico 4mo agoI think that a lot of those overly enthusiastic engineer AI fanboys are just playing a rational game driven by their perception that AI is a effective substitute for them, and that the only way to survive the comming culling is by being seen on the market as something an AI thought leader. Basically, signalling that they are going to be cooperative subjects for the enemy's occupation of the land. "I, for one, welcome our new giant insect overlords" is, IMHO, the operative meme here. Others are just addicted, the cycle of fast interaction and reward in coding agents is not very different from gambling or crack cocaine.
- Groxx 4mo agoThe rational game here is extremely straightforward, and even has big names like "prisoner's dilemma" behind it: Unionize.
- hparadiz 4mo agoI like how everyone on HN feels entitled to a profession that hasn't even existed for 100 years and that is constantly changing. Talk about addiction.
- miyoji 4mo agoYes, I am addicted to food and shelter and to being able to work in the profession that I specialized in and spent years learning to do well. Without these things I would literally die.
- hparadiz 4mo agoWhen I was fresh out of college in my 20s I watched two engineers get fired in front of me. They were hired to be DBAs. When I finished rewriting the software into a proper mvc their entire job became redundant since anyone could now make the database edits needed from an admin webpage. And I was better at the DBA part of my full stack role than they were. This is no different.
- elzbardico 4mo agoPeople need to be independently rich, or be extremelly frugal to not care about the hypothetical obsolescence of their jobs. What the fuck do you expect? That people just cheer a brave new world of diminishing salaries and disappearing jobs along with some vague promises that every thing will be alright?
- matheusmoreira 4mo agoYes, I absolutely do expect computer programmers to cheer as the brave new world they helped create is ushered in. How many people here got rich by automating away the jobs of others? I mean, what is this? Others are fair game, but programming is sacred? That's quite simply the peak of absurdity.
- hparadiz 4mo agoEvery single step in this saga has actually created millions of jobs. It's pretty funny seeing this play out in the HN comments because I never got any consideration before when I had to learn new frameworks and languages. But suddenly machine learning is the line one should not cross? Playing the world's smallest violin right now.
- captainbland 4mo agoI think the prevailing mindset amongst developers who use LLMs is that actually LLMs are more of an effective augmentation of programming tools in the same way that an IDE is, and the marketing angle comes from perceived demand for that augmented skill set. Many developers even seem to predict an increase in demand in the medium to long term as AI written systems increasingly begin to need human attention. I think the hyper enthusiastic ones are more vocal, but there's a quieter and larger group who are somewhat more measured about it.
- matheusmoreira 4mo agoPretty wild to see this in a technology forum. The whole idea of technology is to do more with less. It inherently reduces the set of people who are still economically valuable. Have you ever wondered how many livelihoods computer programmers have destroyed? Now that programming itself is on the chopping block, suddenly some moral line has been crossed?
- miyoji 4mo ago> The whole idea of technology is to do more with less. It inherently reduces the set of people who are still economically valuable I don't think either of these sentences is true. > Now that programming itself is on the chopping block, suddenly some moral line has been crossed? I didn't say anything about a moral line, I just said that there are a lot of programmers who are very excited to remove themselves from being employable. I didn't even say whether I thought that was good or bad!
- splitstud 4mo ago[dead]
- Barrin92 4mo ago>The whole idea of technology is to do more with less No, that's not the whole idea of technology. Technology exists to, and this is a non-exhaustive list: fostering creativity, play, enabling autonomy and self sufficiency, connecting people to each other, collaboration, building skills and enhancing people's natural capacities. That's a smalls et of examples of what one could imagine technology to do. Are these AI tools connecting people, genuinely enhancing their capacity to think, increasing or diminishing their creativity and self-sufficiency? The answer looks pretty obvious to me. People who think technology is something to be used to "do more" and then discarded have no actual interest in technology as an object of study, or as a set of pro-social tools. That's not the mentality of a hacker. Why would it surprise you that people on a website called hackernews don't have the same attitude as a guy in an MBA class?
- matheusmoreira 4mo ago
- john_strinlai 4mo agochatgpt alone had like ~900 million weekly active users last i checked. thats a lot of c-suites (or the anti-ai crowd is more vocal than the occasional chatgpt user)
- jaredwiener 4mo agoTheres a difference between users seeking out AI, and PMs cramming AI into previously existing products.
- john_strinlai 4mo agoi obviously agree that those are two different things. but its also obviously not true that "AI is only popular with AI providers and delusional C-suites.
- skydhash 4mo agoThat’s pretty much it. I have ai in my tracker, ai in my search engine, ai in my team chat, ai in the os (work computer),… I’ve never asked for it, but I bet I’m being counted as one of those users.
- john_strinlai 4mo agothey have 50MM non-business subscribers, if that’s a better metric for you. and that’s just one ai company - not counting the others or local models. i hate unsolicited ai in my software as much as the next guy. but it’s silly to claim ai isn’t popular just because you don’t like it. anything else with 50MM subscribers would reasonably be called “popular”.
- jaredwiener 4mo agoI've noticed a lot of weaselly statistics associated with AI adoption. Company replaces phone support with AI chatbot, then says "Call center interactions dropped 80%! People must really love our AI bot," even though they were given no other choice. AI features are popular in the sense that people are using it. I think the popularity lessens when asked if people want these features. My point being that people who visit chatgpt.com/claude.com/etc by their own free will are not the same as people who now have to use AI summaries on Google because they are just showing up there and making the ten blue links harder to find.
- TaupeRanger 4mo agoThe only delusion here is your comment. Claude and ChatGPT are extremely popular across millions of active daily users.
- cryo32 4mo agoYou're not wrong. I'm forever cleaning up the turds they leave everywhere.
- 7952 4mo agoI started to find that the AI bit was the most useful part of Google Search. But the actual search results were terrible and now I use Kagi. I like being able to add a question mark and control what becomes AI and what doesn't. I use normal search like a Ctrl F for the internet and don't want it to be too clever.
- Thanemate 4mo agoMy non-tech savvy mother started reading the stuff the Google Search AI answers to for some searches, and she's already fed up with it saying whatever. To her it doesn't matter that the "AI can make mistakes" because (in her own wording) "if it's faulty, don't answer". There's a difference between "linking to a source that may be incorrect" and "you providing the text that's blatantly wrong", and Google seems too big to care about it.
- shevy-java 4mo agoYeah. AI slop is lying to people. When I realised that I disabled it. Thankfully there are browser extensions that do that easily. People call it hallucinating. I think it is lying. Google etc.. became a huge liar. All those AI slop companies are lying to the people now.
- somat 4mo agoThat difference can be pretty small when most of the web is also consumed by low effort automatically generated slop. You can't escape it. I know there is a good web out there, but the search engines refuse to give it to me. Probably their algorithm. preferring recent content over good content. I suspect the only real answer is an economic one, Something like Kagi, where hopefully by paying for results you change from being the product to a customer and this is incentive enough for them to provide good results.
- GolfPopper 4mo agoGoogle only cares when something gains traction (and thus potentially hurts its bottom line". For example, it was answering "How many p's in Google" with "There are two p's in Google"[1] for long enough for me to get non-technical family members making a joke out of it. Google fixed it, only for it then to briefly tell you there were no p's in 'Alphabet' either. Those particular bits on nonsense seem to have been stopped for now, but let's not fall prey to Gell-Mann amnesia. The only problem Google has fixed is "our LLM was hurting our reputation in this specific case". They have not, and likely cannot, fix the underlying problem. 1. https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/27/why-googles-ai-cant-spell-google-or-anything-else/ https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/27/why-googles-ai-cant-spell-...
- the__alchemist 4mo agoAnecdote: Most of the anti-AI sentiment I hear is from internet communities like BlueSky. I don't find this generalizable.
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- jhack 4mo agoBluesky is insufferable. Literally any issue in any program is labelled "#vibecoded" by these clearly genius-level engineers who've never shipped a bug.
- Cytobit 4mo agoWell, the AIs are supposed to find and fix the bugs too. So now what's our excuse?
- stvltvs 4mo agoThere are quite a lot of anti-AI sentiments expressed here.
- sigmar 4mo agoSeems like AI is the Ozempic of tech. IE token generation keeps soaring, yet if you ask any individual- many swear they aren't touching it.
- munk-a 4mo agoYou can find such accommodating customers if you listen to customers. In most companies executives can bypass processes to make projects happen - when done well that allows long term investment to happen when the business case is too complex to reduce to an RoI - when done poorly you end up launching a lot of pet projects that have no market and never will. I feel uniquely positioned to have a good understanding of the maluses and benefits of authoritarian project creation from all three angles and the best solution I've seen is to let it happen but bring down the hammer if things get too absurd.
- ai-x 4mo agoRemember the scene in "You got mail" where there are bunch of people who protest against big retailer and support the local bookstore but at the end of the day, they have no extra sales. All these anti-Google, anti-facebook, anti-Instagram, anti-OpenAI, anti-Claude stories are exactly that. Provide copium and feel good for a handful of people for a few days.
- AlecSchueler 4mo agoBut the reality is that DDG has had an influx of users, and You've Got Mail was a work of fiction.
- abdullahkhalids 4mo agoProtesting against a suboptimal Nash equilibrium is not wrong, just because protesting is ineffective at changing the rules of the game.