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To the antisemites it’s the same thing. I can point you to threads here on HN where negative things are said about Jews and the term “Zionists” is used interch
by throw368498 4mo ago
To the antisemites it’s the same thing.
I can point you to threads here on HN where negative things are said about Jews and the term “Zionists” is used interchangeably with “Jews”.
- defrost 4mo agoMisuse by idiots doesn't make them equivalent terms.
- throw368498 4mo agoDepends on who’s saying it. Often times it’s obvious from the context that “Zionist” is just being used as a loophole, and pretending that the difference is then still important is disingenuous.
- defrost 4mo agoWhat's your position here? Are Jew and Zionist equivalent words in your opinion?
- throw368498 4mo agoSomeone writing “F Zionists” very likely does not make a distinction between Zionists and Jews. The Jewish Council of Australia is not going to name their hotspot “F Zionists”. Ultra Orthodox Jews are not going to use swear words to express their view. I’ll go as far as say that anyone who genuinely wants Jews and Arabs to live in peace side by side is not going to go about it with antagonistic one-sided rhetoric.
- sdthjbvuiiijbb 4mo ago>Someone writing “F Zionists” very likely does not make a distinction between Zionists and Jews. That's completely untrue and this is either bad faith or you need to go outside more. Here, I'll say it myself: Fuck Zionism. I have no issue with Jews. I just don't like settler colonialism.
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- noworriesnate 4mo agoNobody conflates Zionism with Jewry more than Israel does. Do you have a problem with them doing it?
- sdthjbvuiiijbb 4mo agoOk, bad faith it is then. Nobody reasonable in good faith could conclude that I "hate Jews" based on my reply. Just because I called Zionism settler colonialism? That's a view so prominent that it (apparently) has its own wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism And as mentioned in the wiki, that's probably a characterization that the leaders of the movement 100 years ago would agree with themselves!
- FunnyUsername 4mo ago> I have no issue with Jews. You do with at least the 95%+ of Jews who support Jewish self-determination in the Jewish homeland. That's all Zionism is.
- amanaplanacanal 4mo agoIt's always one sided though. Israel has a right to exist, Palestine doesn't have a right to exist.
- Scroll_Swe 4mo agoPalestine was never a thing.
- amanaplanacanal 4mo agoSo what? Israel wasn't a thing for almost 2000 years. If we can make one country out of whole cloth, why not another one? Why is Israel privileged here?
- godelski 4mo agoWhy are you giving idiots a bigger voice? You admit they're idiots, so why defend them? Seriously, this conversation is making me dizzy