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Not all Jews are Zionists .. so they are not equivalent words. eg: https://www.jewishcouncil.com.au/who-we-are https://www.jewishcouncil.com.au/who-we-are
by defrost 5mo ago
Not all Jews are Zionists .. so they are not equivalent words.
eg: https://www.jewishcouncil.com.au/who-we-are https://www.jewishcouncil.com.au/who-we-are
- throw368498 5mo agoTo the antisemites it’s the same thing. I can point you to threads here on HN where negative things are said about Jews and the term “Zionists” is used interchangeably with “Jews”.
- defrost 5mo agoMisuse by idiots doesn't make them equivalent terms.
- throw368498 5mo agoDepends on who’s saying it. Often times it’s obvious from the context that “Zionist” is just being used as a loophole, and pretending that the difference is then still important is disingenuous.
- defrost 5mo agoWhat's your position here? Are Jew and Zionist equivalent words in your opinion?
- throw368498 5mo agoSomeone writing “F Zionists” very likely does not make a distinction between Zionists and Jews. The Jewish Council of Australia is not going to name their hotspot “F Zionists”. Ultra Orthodox Jews are not going to use swear words to express their view. I’ll go as far as say that anyone who genuinely wants Jews and Arabs to live in peace side by side is not going to go about it with antagonistic one-sided rhetoric.
- sdthjbvuiiijbb 5mo ago>Someone writing “F Zionists” very likely does not make a distinction between Zionists and Jews. That's completely untrue and this is either bad faith or you need to go outside more. Here, I'll say it myself: Fuck Zionism. I have no issue with Jews. I just don't like settler colonialism.
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- noworriesnate 5mo agoNobody conflates Zionism with Jewry more than Israel does. Do you have a problem with them doing it?
- sdthjbvuiiijbb 5mo agoOk, bad faith it is then. Nobody reasonable in good faith could conclude that I "hate Jews" based on my reply. Just because I called Zionism settler colonialism? That's a view so prominent that it (apparently) has its own wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism And as mentioned in the wiki, that's probably a characterization that the leaders of the movement 100 years ago would agree with themselves!
- FunnyUsername 5mo ago> I have no issue with Jews. You do with at least the 95%+ of Jews who support Jewish self-determination in the Jewish homeland. That's all Zionism is.
- amanaplanacanal 5mo agoIt's always one sided though. Israel has a right to exist, Palestine doesn't have a right to exist.
- godelski 5mo agoWhy are you giving idiots a bigger voice? You admit they're idiots, so why defend them? Seriously, this conversation is making me dizzy
- Scroll_Swe 5mo agoI will ask you the one question. Should Israel exist at all according to you? If you say no, you basically are saying "Fuck Jews" to 99% of Jews.- Linking some fringe group wont change that. :) Either leftie or nazi, they both have the same views on Israel it is crazy.
- defrost 5mo agoThe core of Israel is orthogonal to settler expansionism. The first is what we, Australia, beach headed for Jewish communities back in 1917. The second is deplorable behaviour that was initially somewhat excusable and has since degenerated into a sickness.
- Scroll_Swe 5mo agoYes or no, do you think Israel should exist as a country? >settler expansionism More and more meme words. Yes or No?