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I don't know what the right answer is to people doing weird stuff in enclosed places with a captive audience is. The wifi name probably should have been ignore

by mlyle 4mo ago

I don't know what the right answer is to people doing weird stuff in enclosed places with a captive audience is. The wifi name probably should have been ignored. But the incidents of people airdropping profane pictures to randos on planes...

mx7zysuj4xew 4mo ago
That's a design flaw in AirDrop, not an "incident"
- 47282847 4mo ago
  A design flaw it only becomes due to people’s violent acts. If the goal is safety, we should spend more time helping people process their shit and less on raising shields. They only make people more angry. Everybody draws the line differently, but pushing your data on somebody else’s device without their consent is an intrusion, and as such I consider it to be an act of violence. We need to grow up and understand how to break cycles of violence, not push it further towards mutual destruction.
  - lazide 4mo ago
    Unsolicited Dirty pictures via a protocol which is easy to disable (and rarely used anyway) vs getting punched in the face or shanked? Really?
    - limagnolia 4mo ago
      I don't think it was presented as an "vs". Both can be a form of violence, even if one is much worse than the other.
      - lazide 4mo ago
        Grouping them together is the absurd part. The unsolicited dick pic is gross, but not even in the same category as the other stuff.
        tekknik 4mo ago
        And if the person has been traumatized by “dick pics” in the past and seeing one causes further distress, then what? why are you defending unsolicited nude images so hard and who gave you the right to speak for everybody?
        lazide 4mo ago
        I take it you’ve never been punched in the face before? No matter how hard someone has been traumatized by unsolicited dick pics, I guarantee they’ll be traumatized in an entirely different way by the same amount of unsolicited punches to the face. Speaking from experience on both fronts. You can have more than one category for shitty criminal behavior you know.
    - 47282847 4mo ago
      Why the “vs”?! All three acts are acts of violence. We can order them by our own judgment of intensity, but they’re still all violent. And as such also expressions of pain/hurt, which will lead to further expressions until it is finally seen and addressed. We all know this, but still act like we don’t.
      - pc86 4mo ago
        No - someone dropping a picture to your phone when you have the ability enabled is not violence by any definition used by people with functioning frontal cortexes. Maybe it's good to remove the "Everybody" option, maybe it's not. Maybe it's good to make it auto-disable after 10 minutes, maybe it's not. Irrelevant. But absolutely nothing will make a photo popping onto your phone a violent act.
        anigbrowl 4mo ago
        Violence, violations and other similar words have the same root, meaning to pursue, to suppress, to overpower. Quibbling over exactly where the boundary lines are drawn misses the larger point about unwanted incursions upon your person, whether physical or psychic.
        pc86 4mo ago
        Referring to someone airdropping an image over a protocol you specifically opened up as "psychic violence" is even worse than referring to it as simply "violence." Words mean things. I know it's popular to pretend they don't and anything can be anything as long as we say it long enough and loud enough, but that's simply not true.
        alterom 4mo ago
        Someone walks up to you and stuffs an ad for local prostitutes into your shirt pocket before you react. Don't like it? Should've worn a T-shirt. Your wife founds another one in your back pocket later that day, and has questions. What, you practically asked for it. Should've zippered that pocket. An open pocket is practically an invitation for everyone to put their stuff into it.
- Shank 4mo ago
  When China mentioned this to Apple, Apple agreed, and “Everyone” is not the default and also not available for more than 10 minutes now.
  - tardedmeme 4mo ago
    To be fair, everyone in China agrees with the government about everything. It's not really optional.
godelski 4mo ago
> I don't know what the right answer is to people doing weird stuff in enclosed places with a captive audience is. Punish the people who act. Seriously, think about the fear here. That someone's trivial to ignore tacky political statement causes what problem? That it causes a fight to erupt? Arrest the person who actually starts the fight. Do not police the actions of reasonable people just because they might upset unreasonable people. This is absolutely insane! You are just creating a world of Karens and crazy people by enabling them. The people that should get in trouble are the ones who start a fight. FFS we're talking about a device's name. How often do you even see other device's names? Are you just staring at the WiFi and Bluetooth broadcasts all day? That's mental! You only see it when you switch to the plane's WiFi and then it is done. Over. You don't have to see it again. Anyone that is upset enough to start a fight over such a little thing should absolutely be arrested because they are clearly going to start a fight over some other absolutely bullshit and arbitrary thing. That's a person that is looking for a reason to be upset. That is a person looking for a reason to be angry. That is a person looking for a reason to start a fight. That is a person who is mentally insane.
- mlyle 4mo ago
  Big reaction that misses the nuance in what I said. Can you read the sentence after the one you quoted?
- tekknik 4mo ago
  Naming a device like this and bringing it onto a plane is actually what’s mental. People are tired of this reactionary content already and it needs to end. People need to remember what a CIVILIZED society is.
- alterom 4mo ago
  >How often do you even see other device's names? If it was seen by nobody, it wouldn't be named that way. And it wouldn't be brought to captain's attention. Also: there are 300 people on a large flight. A lot of people put their phone in airplane mode, and then have to reconnect their Bluetooth headphones. >You don't have to see it again. You don't have to see it once. The airplane isn't a place for political rallies, and the captain figured that one person seeing this is enough. >Anyone that is upset enough to start a fight over such a little thing should absolutely be arrested I agree, and that's what the captain said. The captain asked for the person to shut that device off. They didn't. They were willing to start a fight over it. Whoever reported the stupid Bluetooth name wasn't starting a fight. That was a non-confrontational act. The captain wasn't starting a fight. He gave an order. The edgy passenger decided to fight and not comply with the captain's directions. >That is a person who is mentally insane Indeed.

by mlyle 4mo ago

mx7zysuj4xew 4mo ago

That's a design flaw in AirDrop, not an "incident"

47282847 4mo ago
A design flaw it only becomes due to people’s violent acts. If the goal is safety, we should spend more time helping people process their shit and less on raising shields. They only make people more angry. Everybody draws the line differently, but pushing your data on somebody else’s device without their consent is an intrusion, and as such I consider it to be an act of violence. We need to grow up and understand how to break cycles of violence, not push it further towards mutual destruction.
- lazide 4mo ago
  Unsolicited Dirty pictures via a protocol which is easy to disable (and rarely used anyway) vs getting punched in the face or shanked? Really?
  - limagnolia 4mo ago
    I don't think it was presented as an "vs". Both can be a form of violence, even if one is much worse than the other.
    - lazide 4mo ago
      Grouping them together is the absurd part. The unsolicited dick pic is gross, but not even in the same category as the other stuff.
      - tekknik 4mo ago
        And if the person has been traumatized by “dick pics” in the past and seeing one causes further distress, then what? why are you defending unsolicited nude images so hard and who gave you the right to speak for everybody?
        lazide 4mo ago
        I take it you’ve never been punched in the face before? No matter how hard someone has been traumatized by unsolicited dick pics, I guarantee they’ll be traumatized in an entirely different way by the same amount of unsolicited punches to the face. Speaking from experience on both fronts. You can have more than one category for shitty criminal behavior you know.
  - 47282847 4mo ago
    Why the “vs”?! All three acts are acts of violence. We can order them by our own judgment of intensity, but they’re still all violent. And as such also expressions of pain/hurt, which will lead to further expressions until it is finally seen and addressed. We all know this, but still act like we don’t.
    - pc86 4mo ago
      No - someone dropping a picture to your phone when you have the ability enabled is not violence by any definition used by people with functioning frontal cortexes. Maybe it's good to remove the "Everybody" option, maybe it's not. Maybe it's good to make it auto-disable after 10 minutes, maybe it's not. Irrelevant. But absolutely nothing will make a photo popping onto your phone a violent act.
      - anigbrowl 4mo ago
        Violence, violations and other similar words have the same root, meaning to pursue, to suppress, to overpower. Quibbling over exactly where the boundary lines are drawn misses the larger point about unwanted incursions upon your person, whether physical or psychic.
        pc86 4mo ago
        Referring to someone airdropping an image over a protocol you specifically opened up as "psychic violence" is even worse than referring to it as simply "violence." Words mean things. I know it's popular to pretend they don't and anything can be anything as long as we say it long enough and loud enough, but that's simply not true.
      - alterom 4mo ago
        Someone walks up to you and stuffs an ad for local prostitutes into your shirt pocket before you react. Don't like it? Should've worn a T-shirt. Your wife founds another one in your back pocket later that day, and has questions. What, you practically asked for it. Should've zippered that pocket. An open pocket is practically an invitation for everyone to put their stuff into it.
Shank 4mo ago
When China mentioned this to Apple, Apple agreed, and “Everyone” is not the default and also not available for more than 10 minutes now.
- tardedmeme 4mo ago
  To be fair, everyone in China agrees with the government about everything. It's not really optional.

godelski 4mo ago

> I don't know what the right answer is to people doing weird stuff in enclosed places with a captive audience is. Punish the people who act. Seriously, think about the fear here. That someone's trivial to ignore tacky political statement causes what problem? That it causes a fight to erupt? Arrest the person who actually starts the fight. Do not police the actions of reasonable people just because they might upset unreasonable people. This is absolutely insane! You are just creating a world of Karens and crazy people by enabling them. The people that should get in trouble are the ones who start a fight. FFS we're talking about a device's name. How often do you even see other device's names? Are you just staring at the WiFi and Bluetooth broadcasts all day? That's mental! You only see it when you switch to the plane's WiFi and then it is done. Over. You don't have to see it again. Anyone that is upset enough to start a fight over such a little thing should absolutely be arrested because they are clearly going to start a fight over some other absolutely bullshit and arbitrary thing. That's a person that is looking for a reason to be upset. That is a person looking for a reason to be angry. That is a person looking for a reason to start a fight. That is a person who is mentally insane.

mlyle 4mo ago
Big reaction that misses the nuance in what I said. Can you read the sentence after the one you quoted?
tekknik 4mo ago
Naming a device like this and bringing it onto a plane is actually what’s mental. People are tired of this reactionary content already and it needs to end. People need to remember what a CIVILIZED society is.
alterom 4mo ago
>How often do you even see other device's names? If it was seen by nobody, it wouldn't be named that way. And it wouldn't be brought to captain's attention. Also: there are 300 people on a large flight. A lot of people put their phone in airplane mode, and then have to reconnect their Bluetooth headphones. >You don't have to see it again. You don't have to see it once. The airplane isn't a place for political rallies, and the captain figured that one person seeing this is enough. >Anyone that is upset enough to start a fight over such a little thing should absolutely be arrested I agree, and that's what the captain said. The captain asked for the person to shut that device off. They didn't. They were willing to start a fight over it. Whoever reported the stupid Bluetooth name wasn't starting a fight. That was a non-confrontational act. The captain wasn't starting a fight. He gave an order. The edgy passenger decided to fight and not comply with the captain's directions. >That is a person who is mentally insane Indeed.