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MacBooks are still unbeaten hardware-wise. Yes 8GB of RAM is embarrassing, no question about it. I'll buy a Neo just for travel. I will remote to my machines w

MacBooks are still unbeaten hardware-wise. Yes 8GB of RAM is embarrassing, no question about it. I'll buy a Neo just for travel. I will remote to my machines with it. Though I'm flabbergasted why has nobody else made as thin and lightweight laptop like Apple... for decades. And that includes no fan, or just a very quiet one. I have no love for Apple at all. But the Neo is a game-changer and a well-deserved kick in the nuts of, well, every other hardware company really.

pjmlp 4mo ago
Not really, I tend to avoid computer appliances, other than phones and tablets. I certainly am not paying 800 euros for a travel laptop, when a 350 euros Asus 1215B, that could be upgraded, was able to survive about a decade, with 8GB in 2011!
- pdimitar 4mo ago
  How is its fan noise?
simondotau 4mo ago
An interesting perspective the designers of the Tesla Model S had was "battery bucks". The oft-cited example was some fancy wheel bearing which had a expensive per-unit cost which no normal OEM would even consider, because being half a percent more efficient didn't matter. Whereas for Tesla, half a percent efficiency reduced the need for hundreds of dollars of batteries. I wonder if there's some opportunity for Apple to think about "RAM bucks" and turn memory efficiency into an economic opportunity. I find it difficult to believe that modern operating systems actually need to consume so much.
makeitdouble 4mo ago
> MacBooks are still unbeaten hardware-wise. I'm still fascinated by how people throw these praises around with no justifications what so ever. Even staying within Apple lineups, as a thought experiment, do you think iPad Pro have inferior hardware ? they sure can't beat MacBooks, right ?
- pdimitar 4mo ago
  Point me at a laptop as small and quiet. Hell, let's forget weight. I'll gladly lug around 2.5kg machine if it almost never turns its fan on and is as compact. Actually let's not care about compactness either. Can go up to 17". Just show me a truly quiet laptop. You are misjudging me here. I'm moving back to Linux after using Macs for 7 years. My desktop Mac is soon going to be history. macOS makes too many choices for me that I dislike. We're not just talking stylistically or philosophically; those I can mostly get over if needed. We're talking objectively and technologically. I want a good travel machine however. People look at you funny on meetups when your laptop starts blasting jet engines. Nobody is saying it out loud but you're becoming the odd one out and that has a social and career cost. (That's not even touching the fact that noisy machines stress me out and break my focus.) I'll get a Neo for travel even if I hate giving Apple money. Because everyone else is two decades behind.
  - makeitdouble 4mo ago
    We could do the same exercise in reverse: Point me at a laptop with a touch and pen support and detachable keyboard, within the 13" range and 260+ppi resolution, that can virtually run modern software and mid-tier games at workable speeds. That's the bar my personal laptop clears, and no mac does. Should I be claiming that it has unbeatable hardware ? PS: We've been in this for a very long time. Even during the PowerPC days, it was a meme to take a mac, adjust for exactly the same hardware specs and tout that the mac was unbeatable for the price. Thing is, having different hardware specs and tradeoffs is exactly the point of the PC market. I still feel great for the people that exactly fit the "one size fits all" offering, but getting a machine that perfectly fits one's needs is extremely valuable IMHO.
    - pdimitar 4mo ago
      Sure but that's only a theoretical, as in, a non-existing argument. You don't get to tell me what I want in a laptop; I already stated it and stand by it. "Unbeatable" comes from "satisfies all my hardware requirements". If you want to be difficult and try to grill me to append "...according to what I deem an important criteria" at the end of each sentence then that's a separate conversation, and one I'll refuse to have.

pjmlp 4mo ago

Not really, I tend to avoid computer appliances, other than phones and tablets. I certainly am not paying 800 euros for a travel laptop, when a 350 euros Asus 1215B, that could be upgraded, was able to survive about a decade, with 8GB in 2011!

pdimitar 4mo ago
How is its fan noise?

simondotau 4mo ago

An interesting perspective the designers of the Tesla Model S had was "battery bucks". The oft-cited example was some fancy wheel bearing which had a expensive per-unit cost which no normal OEM would even consider, because being half a percent more efficient didn't matter. Whereas for Tesla, half a percent efficiency reduced the need for hundreds of dollars of batteries. I wonder if there's some opportunity for Apple to think about "RAM bucks" and turn memory efficiency into an economic opportunity. I find it difficult to believe that modern operating systems actually need to consume so much.

makeitdouble 4mo ago

> MacBooks are still unbeaten hardware-wise. I'm still fascinated by how people throw these praises around with no justifications what so ever. Even staying within Apple lineups, as a thought experiment, do you think iPad Pro have inferior hardware ? they sure can't beat MacBooks, right ?

pdimitar 4mo ago
Point me at a laptop as small and quiet. Hell, let's forget weight. I'll gladly lug around 2.5kg machine if it almost never turns its fan on and is as compact. Actually let's not care about compactness either. Can go up to 17". Just show me a truly quiet laptop. You are misjudging me here. I'm moving back to Linux after using Macs for 7 years. My desktop Mac is soon going to be history. macOS makes too many choices for me that I dislike. We're not just talking stylistically or philosophically; those I can mostly get over if needed. We're talking objectively and technologically. I want a good travel machine however. People look at you funny on meetups when your laptop starts blasting jet engines. Nobody is saying it out loud but you're becoming the odd one out and that has a social and career cost. (That's not even touching the fact that noisy machines stress me out and break my focus.) I'll get a Neo for travel even if I hate giving Apple money. Because everyone else is two decades behind.
- makeitdouble 4mo ago
  We could do the same exercise in reverse: Point me at a laptop with a touch and pen support and detachable keyboard, within the 13" range and 260+ppi resolution, that can virtually run modern software and mid-tier games at workable speeds. That's the bar my personal laptop clears, and no mac does. Should I be claiming that it has unbeatable hardware ? PS: We've been in this for a very long time. Even during the PowerPC days, it was a meme to take a mac, adjust for exactly the same hardware specs and tout that the mac was unbeatable for the price. Thing is, having different hardware specs and tradeoffs is exactly the point of the PC market. I still feel great for the people that exactly fit the "one size fits all" offering, but getting a machine that perfectly fits one's needs is extremely valuable IMHO.
  - pdimitar 4mo ago
    Sure but that's only a theoretical, as in, a non-existing argument. You don't get to tell me what I want in a laptop; I already stated it and stand by it. "Unbeatable" comes from "satisfies all my hardware requirements". If you want to be difficult and try to grill me to append "...according to what I deem an important criteria" at the end of each sentence then that's a separate conversation, and one I'll refuse to have.