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Cognitive dissonance can explain a lot. If you don’t think the current regime is genocidal (whatever that even means) then you might get very concerned that any

by sbayg 4mo ago

Cognitive dissonance can explain a lot. If you don’t think the current regime is genocidal (whatever that even means) then you might get very concerned that anybody who says it is genocidal is a dangerous lunatic or terrorist sympathizer. Even saying something obviously truthful like “there are good people on both sides” becomes a threatening provocation. Hate is a system.

megous 4mo ago
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- lostlogin 4mo ago
  It’s not just the beating and killing of people. That seems bad enough, but the recent episode of ‘settlers’ torturing a dog is horrific. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/22/world/middleeast/settler-attack-dog-west-bank.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/22/world/middleeast/settler-...
  - megous 4mo ago
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    - lostlogin 4mo ago
      Discussion around it quickly turns into a ‘yes but look what they did’. It baffles me. A rich, powerful democracy should be held to a higher standard. But… yes, both sides have been terrible. Which side is going to work towards a peaceful coexistence?
      - megous 4mo ago
        Punishing child killers is not a high standard.
- khazhoux 4mo ago
  > if they decide they want your city To be clear, it was God that decided to give this land to Abraham in "everlasting possession," so this is pretty cut and dried. Why would Abraham lie about that?? /s
- rashinol 4mo ago
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  - sbayg 4mo ago
    Hard for to assess that stat given the polling organization has this on their Wikipedia page. “On 29 August 2024 the Israel Defense Forces released Hamas documents[6] that it said showed that, unbeknownst to the PCPSR, Hamas had secretly falsified its levels of public support in polls conducted by the PCPSR.[7] Rejecting the IDF claims, Shikaki said it was 'highly unlikely' that Hamas had falsified its results, but vowed to probe the claims.[8]”
    - megous 4mo ago
      Israel gov./IDF/etc. is known to falsify Hamas documents, force false confessions from UN workers using brutal violence and to regularly lie to justify its actions or shape public opinion. Anything they say about the other side means very little without actual independent investigation/corroboration or direct observable evidence. Independent journalists are allowed to go to Israel, so there's no need to lower the standards. Results of the promissed probe: https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/991 https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/991 Not independent probe, but more information.
  - megous 4mo ago
    I read all these PCPSR polls in detail as they were released. And if you actually read the polls you'd never be able to conclude what you did, for one simple reason. Those polls consistently show vaaaast majority (>90%) of Palestinians from Gaza did not believe Hamas perpetrated attrocities attributed to them by Israelis. There was never a direct qustion about support of killing Jews in those polls either. OTOH, extermination of population of an enemy city was a direct question in that Israeli poll. Also on another note, a poll of a population of Gaza does not represent all Muslims. You can easily say that a long term occupied and terrorized population by Israeli Jews, will not be best representative sample of Muslim views on Israel or Jews, even if that population is very largely Muslim. Conflating views of all Muslims with Muslims from Gaza, lying about the poll and misrepresenting the results to fit your whataboutist views, etc. only shows your total lack of rigor. Nothing else.

by sbayg 4mo ago

megous 4mo ago

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lostlogin 4mo ago
It’s not just the beating and killing of people. That seems bad enough, but the recent episode of ‘settlers’ torturing a dog is horrific. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/22/world/middleeast/settler-attack-dog-west-bank.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/22/world/middleeast/settler-...
- megous 4mo ago
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  - lostlogin 4mo ago
    Discussion around it quickly turns into a ‘yes but look what they did’. It baffles me. A rich, powerful democracy should be held to a higher standard. But… yes, both sides have been terrible. Which side is going to work towards a peaceful coexistence?
    - megous 4mo ago
      Punishing child killers is not a high standard.
khazhoux 4mo ago
> if they decide they want your city To be clear, it was God that decided to give this land to Abraham in "everlasting possession," so this is pretty cut and dried. Why would Abraham lie about that?? /s
rashinol 4mo ago
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- sbayg 4mo ago
  Hard for to assess that stat given the polling organization has this on their Wikipedia page. “On 29 August 2024 the Israel Defense Forces released Hamas documents[6] that it said showed that, unbeknownst to the PCPSR, Hamas had secretly falsified its levels of public support in polls conducted by the PCPSR.[7] Rejecting the IDF claims, Shikaki said it was 'highly unlikely' that Hamas had falsified its results, but vowed to probe the claims.[8]”
  - megous 4mo ago
    Israel gov./IDF/etc. is known to falsify Hamas documents, force false confessions from UN workers using brutal violence and to regularly lie to justify its actions or shape public opinion. Anything they say about the other side means very little without actual independent investigation/corroboration or direct observable evidence. Independent journalists are allowed to go to Israel, so there's no need to lower the standards. Results of the promissed probe: https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/991 https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/991 Not independent probe, but more information.
- megous 4mo ago
  I read all these PCPSR polls in detail as they were released. And if you actually read the polls you'd never be able to conclude what you did, for one simple reason. Those polls consistently show vaaaast majority (>90%) of Palestinians from Gaza did not believe Hamas perpetrated attrocities attributed to them by Israelis. There was never a direct qustion about support of killing Jews in those polls either. OTOH, extermination of population of an enemy city was a direct question in that Israeli poll. Also on another note, a poll of a population of Gaza does not represent all Muslims. You can easily say that a long term occupied and terrorized population by Israeli Jews, will not be best representative sample of Muslim views on Israel or Jews, even if that population is very largely Muslim. Conflating views of all Muslims with Muslims from Gaza, lying about the poll and misrepresenting the results to fit your whataboutist views, etc. only shows your total lack of rigor. Nothing else.