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This anti-AI hysteria is just such a classic moral panic. It’s just 1) identify something as AI-produced 2) attack and ostracize anyone who might be involved

This anti-AI hysteria is just such a classic moral panic. It’s just 1) identify something as AI-produced 2) attack and ostracize anyone who might be involved in that production And as with all moral panics, whether (1) is factual is totally beside the point. The point is the almost sexual release you get from (2). I know in this case there is AI-produced code in rsync (as there is with most useful software by now), but you see the witch-hunts every day online and as with all witch-hunts it really doesn’t matter whether the accusation is true. The hysteria is the point.

hall0ween 5mo ago
It’s tough to take your response seriously with loose thinking like “The point is the almost sexual release you get from (2).” Upon further reading, you use emotional language too - “witch-hunt” and “hysteria”. Are these witch-hunts? And can you tell if people over the internet are nearing sexual release? Are you responding to emotional language and other’s loose thinking with your own?
- daishi55 5mo ago
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  - customguy 5mo ago
    But given the actual thread, which has some "flaming" but also many dry and serious comments, and how you describe it as incredibly unhinged while speculation about someone's motivation (looking for projects that might have used AI, versus being dismayed that something that used to be stable no longer is), and how you would say none of that to any of those individuals while musing about how they are just looking for easy targets, it just seems like projection to me. You declare the critics as witches that don't even get to make their own case, your high level smearing of them totally suffices.
    - daishi55 5mo ago
      > they are just looking for easy targets I mean, they are. They’re not harassing Linus or linux maintainers because that would get shut down quickly. Instead they brigade the rsync GitHub issues. > You declare the critics as witches Did you read a single thing I wrote?
      - customguy 5mo ago
        That's rich. > being dismayed that something that used to be stable no longer is You just ignore that, repeat your claim as if that helps. "I mean, they are" -- no, I mean, they actually genuinely literally are not. You us what everyone in that group has as motivation, and that it's to achieve something like sexual satisfaction, is not a description of that thread -- I can read -- so it's coming from you.
    - weakfish 5mo ago
      I'd look again, there's a (now deleted, but quoted) comment of violence being threatened (and drawn??) against the maintainers.
      - customguy 5mo ago
        I didn't say the flaming and and hyperbole etc. is okay, obviously threats aren't okay a million times over, but saying they're all so unhinged is using the over-the-top stuff to dismiss the valid criticism, expressed in valid ways. If I said something nasty stuff about the critics in that thread, about how they're suffering from AI derangement syndrome and the things I want to do to them, could they then use that to dismiss any criticism of them, and talk about how those AI bros are all violent lunatics? Of course not, and that goes both ways.
        weakfish 5mo ago
        Oh no don't get me wrong I don't think you're tacitly endorsing it, I just mean it's probably gotten worse since you last looked, from all sides.
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- cindyllm 5mo ago
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hashmap 5mo ago
it's dangerous to refuse to understand whats happening broadly, and what's taking place in this thread, and to signal that it's ok to keep refusing to understand it. the anger that's showing up around ai isn't a matter of the masses being misinformed, or the messaging around it, it's a matter of physics. you have this one thing that is being used as an excuse to lay people off en masse, you have tech ceos near daily saying they're gonna come for everyone else's job too, and you have the hyperscalers taking up every bit of oxygen in the room. not even gaming has been safe. taking the attitude that it's "just such a classic moral panic" is figuring out which way the ocean is receding and running headlong toward it.
- daishi55 5mo ago
  > the anger that's showing up around ai isn't a matter of the masses being misinformed Isn't it though? let me quote my other comments in this thread: > There is undoubtedly AI-written code in the Linux kernel now, but are they out there harassing those maintainers? No. rsync GitHub is easier to brigade. > They’re also all completely disingenuous (“I’ll have to stop using rsync now”) given that 99.99% of software now includes AI-written code This is why I call it a moral panic and hysteria. It's not reasoned, considered opposition to AI. The people on that github thread are totally disconnected from reality - it doesn't matter to them whether the accusations are true, it matters that the accusations have been made, and against an easy target that they don't expect fight-back from. If they really just had a considered moral opposition to AI-generated code, they would be out there harassing Linus Torvalds himself. Are they? No. Because it's just a moral panic.
  - hashmap 5mo ago
    whether or to what degree people in general are misinformed is a red herring. the forces driving it from underneath are far larger and are moving in very, very obvious ways, and dismissing them as just a moral panic is a head-in-sand move.
  - LtWorf 5mo ago
    > given that 99.99% of software now includes AI-written code source?
thin_carapace 5mo ago
witch hunts occur in search of something that isnt real, it is very real that unmitigated ai usage causes problems

hall0ween 5mo ago

It’s tough to take your response seriously with loose thinking like “The point is the almost sexual release you get from (2).” Upon further reading, you use emotional language too - “witch-hunt” and “hysteria”. Are these witch-hunts? And can you tell if people over the internet are nearing sexual release? Are you responding to emotional language and other’s loose thinking with your own?

daishi55 5mo ago
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- customguy 5mo ago
  But given the actual thread, which has some "flaming" but also many dry and serious comments, and how you describe it as incredibly unhinged while speculation about someone's motivation (looking for projects that might have used AI, versus being dismayed that something that used to be stable no longer is), and how you would say none of that to any of those individuals while musing about how they are just looking for easy targets, it just seems like projection to me. You declare the critics as witches that don't even get to make their own case, your high level smearing of them totally suffices.
  - daishi55 5mo ago
    > they are just looking for easy targets I mean, they are. They’re not harassing Linus or linux maintainers because that would get shut down quickly. Instead they brigade the rsync GitHub issues. > You declare the critics as witches Did you read a single thing I wrote?
    - customguy 5mo ago
      That's rich. > being dismayed that something that used to be stable no longer is You just ignore that, repeat your claim as if that helps. "I mean, they are" -- no, I mean, they actually genuinely literally are not. You us what everyone in that group has as motivation, and that it's to achieve something like sexual satisfaction, is not a description of that thread -- I can read -- so it's coming from you.
  - weakfish 5mo ago
    I'd look again, there's a (now deleted, but quoted) comment of violence being threatened (and drawn??) against the maintainers.
    - customguy 5mo ago
      I didn't say the flaming and and hyperbole etc. is okay, obviously threats aren't okay a million times over, but saying they're all so unhinged is using the over-the-top stuff to dismiss the valid criticism, expressed in valid ways. If I said something nasty stuff about the critics in that thread, about how they're suffering from AI derangement syndrome and the things I want to do to them, could they then use that to dismiss any criticism of them, and talk about how those AI bros are all violent lunatics? Of course not, and that goes both ways.
      - weakfish 5mo ago
        Oh no don't get me wrong I don't think you're tacitly endorsing it, I just mean it's probably gotten worse since you last looked, from all sides.
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cindyllm 5mo ago
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hashmap 5mo ago

it's dangerous to refuse to understand whats happening broadly, and what's taking place in this thread, and to signal that it's ok to keep refusing to understand it. the anger that's showing up around ai isn't a matter of the masses being misinformed, or the messaging around it, it's a matter of physics. you have this one thing that is being used as an excuse to lay people off en masse, you have tech ceos near daily saying they're gonna come for everyone else's job too, and you have the hyperscalers taking up every bit of oxygen in the room. not even gaming has been safe. taking the attitude that it's "just such a classic moral panic" is figuring out which way the ocean is receding and running headlong toward it.

daishi55 5mo ago
> the anger that's showing up around ai isn't a matter of the masses being misinformed Isn't it though? let me quote my other comments in this thread: > There is undoubtedly AI-written code in the Linux kernel now, but are they out there harassing those maintainers? No. rsync GitHub is easier to brigade. > They’re also all completely disingenuous (“I’ll have to stop using rsync now”) given that 99.99% of software now includes AI-written code This is why I call it a moral panic and hysteria. It's not reasoned, considered opposition to AI. The people on that github thread are totally disconnected from reality - it doesn't matter to them whether the accusations are true, it matters that the accusations have been made, and against an easy target that they don't expect fight-back from. If they really just had a considered moral opposition to AI-generated code, they would be out there harassing Linus Torvalds himself. Are they? No. Because it's just a moral panic.
- hashmap 5mo ago
  whether or to what degree people in general are misinformed is a red herring. the forces driving it from underneath are far larger and are moving in very, very obvious ways, and dismissing them as just a moral panic is a head-in-sand move.
- LtWorf 5mo ago
  > given that 99.99% of software now includes AI-written code source?

thin_carapace 5mo ago

witch hunts occur in search of something that isnt real, it is very real that unmitigated ai usage causes problems