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As a Catholic in AI, this has been my take since the day I started in Industry. Techies have a weird way of thinking themselves world saviors and having poor bi

by anon291 5mo ago

As a Catholic in AI, this has been my take since the day I started in Industry. Techies have a weird way of thinking themselves world saviors and having poor binary decision making ability. AI will never be alive or have a soul. No machine could have a human rational eternal soul. This is Catholicism 101. No amount of work on matrix multiplication will change that.

whimsicalism 5mo ago
> Techies have a weird way of thinking themselves world saviors and having poor binary decision making ability. rich coming from a belief system that thinks everyone who had the opportunity to go through their water-dunking ritual and culpably didn't is automatically going to be tortured in the underworld for eternity.
- anon291 5mo ago
  That's not what the church believes but okay whatever. At least I don't think a computer magically becomes a person.
- Starman_Jones 5mo ago
  As a non-Catholic, this shows such a poor grasp on what makes Catholicism different from Protestantism that it’s comical. Some early Calvinists, for example, said that Catholics were wrong because they DIDN’T believe that. It would have taken you so little effort to uncover your lack of understanding before broadcasting it to the world.
  - whimsicalism 5mo ago
    What specifically is wrong?
    - Starman_Jones 5mo ago
      Catholicism introduced the whole concept of purgatory, which specifically avoids the idea of eternal suffering. Water baptism is not a requirement for grace (read: salvation), although it is a requirement to be recognized as belonging to the Church.
      - whimsicalism 5mo ago
        someone who knowingly/culpably rejects baptism is not going to purgatory. as a non-catholic, i think you are misinterpreting here. this is verbatim from the Catechism, > Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament Sure, there are other routes - but not for someone who has culpably rejected a water baptism. Again, from the Catechism, > Purgatory is the state of those who die in God’s friendship, assured of their eternal salvation, but who still have need of purification to enter into the happiness of heaven. > He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336 Purgatory is not meant for those who culpably refused to enter, absolutely not.
        Starman_Jones 5mo ago
        You’re right, I was mistaken. My bad.

by anon291 5mo ago

whimsicalism 5mo ago

> Techies have a weird way of thinking themselves world saviors and having poor binary decision making ability. rich coming from a belief system that thinks everyone who had the opportunity to go through their water-dunking ritual and culpably didn't is automatically going to be tortured in the underworld for eternity.

anon291 5mo ago
That's not what the church believes but okay whatever. At least I don't think a computer magically becomes a person.
Starman_Jones 5mo ago
As a non-Catholic, this shows such a poor grasp on what makes Catholicism different from Protestantism that it’s comical. Some early Calvinists, for example, said that Catholics were wrong because they DIDN’T believe that. It would have taken you so little effort to uncover your lack of understanding before broadcasting it to the world.
- whimsicalism 5mo ago
  What specifically is wrong?
  - Starman_Jones 5mo ago
    Catholicism introduced the whole concept of purgatory, which specifically avoids the idea of eternal suffering. Water baptism is not a requirement for grace (read: salvation), although it is a requirement to be recognized as belonging to the Church.
    - whimsicalism 5mo ago
      someone who knowingly/culpably rejects baptism is not going to purgatory. as a non-catholic, i think you are misinterpreting here. this is verbatim from the Catechism, > Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament Sure, there are other routes - but not for someone who has culpably rejected a water baptism. Again, from the Catechism, > Purgatory is the state of those who die in God’s friendship, assured of their eternal salvation, but who still have need of purification to enter into the happiness of heaven. > He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336 Purgatory is not meant for those who culpably refused to enter, absolutely not.
      - Starman_Jones 5mo ago
        You’re right, I was mistaken. My bad.