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This hasn’t been the case since 2022: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Hall,_London_(Newham) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Hall,_London_(Newham)

by rafram 4mo ago

caminante 4mo ago
"This" ? Which this? They apparently moved the location, but protesting at the new location is still heavily restricted [0] with a dystopian narrative. > In order to achieve the balance between the rights of those holding a rally and the rights and freedoms of others to go about their business we have put together this guidance and simple application process. [0] https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/city-halls-buildings-and-squares/city-hall-security/application-holding-rally-outside-city-hall https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/city-halls-buildings-an...
- rafram 4mo ago
  Every single thing in the text you (inaccurately) quoted. City Hall is no longer on a private estate, no Kuwaiti investment company is involved, and the application process involves no "corporate permission" - you submit a form to the city government, and it sounds like the point is to make sure each rally is allocated a separate area, and they don't deny permission outright.
  - caminante 4mo ago
    Please don't be unreasonable. > Every single thing in the text you (inaccurately) quoted. Your first sentence makes no sense. It's quoted directly from the Guardian article, not from me. > it sounds like the point is to make sure each rally is allocated a separate area, and they don't deny permission outright. FWIW, look at the next article I linked. You're really understating the restrictions for a public, outdoor venue. This is on brand with restrictive public use. - No noise directed outwards - no noise after 6PM - confined to two lawns (that can't fit more than 3k people) - no sound speakers - no overnight rallies even if quiet - leave no trash - no food for others - you're strongly advised to fill out a notification form if your group is larger than a dozen people
    - rafram 4mo ago
      No, there was a bunch in the middle that you removed. Most of those restrictions sound pretty standard and reasonable! No amplification is the only one that I’d be upset about as an organizer.
      - caminante 4mo ago
        > No, there was a bunch in the middle that you removed. I didn't remove anything. It seems you're reading and responding to different discussions.
        rafram 4mo ago
        The article says: > London’s seat of democratic governance now sits entirely on a private estate owned by a Kuwaiti investment outfit. John Biggs, the London Assembly member, tells me he has been prevented from doing television interviews outside the building by private security guards who insist he needs a special permit; protesters are not allowed to gather without corporate permission. “I think that as active citizens we’ve got a reasonable responsibility to test and push at these public/private borders,” he tells me. “It’s clear we’ve got the balance wrong at the moment.” You “quoted”: > City Hall sits entirely on a private estate owned by a Kuwaiti investment company. Protesters are not allowed to gather without corporate permission. That’s a summary! But not a quote.
        caminante 4mo ago
        > You “quoted”...That’s a summary! But not a quote. Look again! [0] It's a tagline for a photo that you overlooked. Please take a break and go outside. [0] https://i.postimg.cc/XvW4pN8Q/image.png https://i.postimg.cc/XvW4pN8Q/image.png

This hasn’t been the case since 2022: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Hall,_London_(Newham) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Hall,_London_(Newham)

by rafram 4mo ago

This hasn’t been the case since 2022: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Hall,_London_(Newham) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Hall,_London_(Newham)

caminante 4mo ago

"This" ? Which this? They apparently moved the location, but protesting at the new location is still heavily restricted [0] with a dystopian narrative. > In order to achieve the balance between the rights of those holding a rally and the rights and freedoms of others to go about their business we have put together this guidance and simple application process. [0] https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/city-halls-buildings-and-squares/city-hall-security/application-holding-rally-outside-city-hall https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/city-halls-buildings-an...

rafram 4mo ago
Every single thing in the text you (inaccurately) quoted. City Hall is no longer on a private estate, no Kuwaiti investment company is involved, and the application process involves no "corporate permission" - you submit a form to the city government, and it sounds like the point is to make sure each rally is allocated a separate area, and they don't deny permission outright.
- caminante 4mo ago
  Please don't be unreasonable. > Every single thing in the text you (inaccurately) quoted. Your first sentence makes no sense. It's quoted directly from the Guardian article, not from me. > it sounds like the point is to make sure each rally is allocated a separate area, and they don't deny permission outright. FWIW, look at the next article I linked. You're really understating the restrictions for a public, outdoor venue. This is on brand with restrictive public use. - No noise directed outwards - no noise after 6PM - confined to two lawns (that can't fit more than 3k people) - no sound speakers - no overnight rallies even if quiet - leave no trash - no food for others - you're strongly advised to fill out a notification form if your group is larger than a dozen people
  - rafram 4mo ago
    No, there was a bunch in the middle that you removed. Most of those restrictions sound pretty standard and reasonable! No amplification is the only one that I’d be upset about as an organizer.
    - caminante 4mo ago
      > No, there was a bunch in the middle that you removed. I didn't remove anything. It seems you're reading and responding to different discussions.
      - rafram 4mo ago
        The article says: > London’s seat of democratic governance now sits entirely on a private estate owned by a Kuwaiti investment outfit. John Biggs, the London Assembly member, tells me he has been prevented from doing television interviews outside the building by private security guards who insist he needs a special permit; protesters are not allowed to gather without corporate permission. “I think that as active citizens we’ve got a reasonable responsibility to test and push at these public/private borders,” he tells me. “It’s clear we’ve got the balance wrong at the moment.” You “quoted”: > City Hall sits entirely on a private estate owned by a Kuwaiti investment company. Protesters are not allowed to gather without corporate permission. That’s a summary! But not a quote.
        caminante 4mo ago
        > You “quoted”...That’s a summary! But not a quote. Look again! [0] It's a tagline for a photo that you overlooked. Please take a break and go outside. [0] https://i.postimg.cc/XvW4pN8Q/image.png https://i.postimg.cc/XvW4pN8Q/image.png