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If you mean Iran, they were actually following agreement in JCPOA and not building nukes, until Trump broke it. And they begotiated while USA bombed them twic

by watwut 5mo ago

If you mean Iran, they were actually following agreement in JCPOA and not building nukes, until Trump broke it. And they begotiated while USA bombed them twice during negotiations. This situation was created by USA and comment rightfully focuses on people who created it. > brown people cant be actors only acted upon Did you read some different comment? Cause nothing in that comment implies this. But in fact, this chaim of events was initiated and orchestrated entirely by American leadership.

warumdarum 5mo ago
Are you at all aware of the reguons history and the endless proxxy war between suni and shia?
- watwut 5mo ago
  Yes I am aware of regions history. Nothing in that goes against what I wrote. I am also aware of UAE, Saudi Arabia and Israel's history or recent actions. And of American involvement in region. Are you aware of ongoing proxy war between UAE and Saudi? You dont get to tear down nuclear agreement that was followed, then bomb twice during negotiations and then pretend the whole thing is about nuclear concern other side caused. And you dont get then try to shift the topic from nuclear to proxy war between everyone and everyone in that region. And if you are looking for the "good vs bad" division in this war, all I see is bunch of dictatorships, countries directly or indirectly engaged in current genocides and invasions. And country that caused this particular war and is in the process to become like that too. I am also aware and American actions in Greenland, murders in pacific and Venezuela. I am also aware of masculine insecurity and its relation to "starting wars to make us feel cool and powerful" factor of the situation.
lelanthran 5mo ago
I'm not sure what point you are replying to; my reading of GP's (somewhat incoherent) post is that Iran has more in common with Nazi Germany than it does with (most) of western civilisation. If we're working on a scale of 1-10 for "how close is a ruling government to Nazi Germany", Iran is maybe a 7 or 8. The US, despite Trump's best efforts, is still only at a relatively benign 3 or 4.
- watwut 5mo ago
  > my reading of GP's (somewhat incoherent) post is that Iran has more in common with Nazi Germany than it does with (most) of western civilisation. I not sure what I am supposed to take away from this comparison. I never claimed Iran, UAE or Saudi are western civilizations. And conversely, Nazi Germany was a product of western civilization and still have active western fans. Notably, in the form of German AfD and guess who was giving them money and supporting them lately. And also notably in the form of Stephen Miller and sigh heiling American business leaders and politicians. > If we're working on a scale of 1-10 for "how close is a ruling government to Nazi Germany", Iran is maybe a 7 or 8. The relevant difference being that Nazi Germany started the war of conquest. In this case, USA started this war for no good reason and celebrates conquest. Nazi Germany committed genocide. Israel committed genocide and USA punished people from saying it out loud. Iran, UAE and Saudi all mistreat their minorities, Iran probably the most. And still, Iranian minorities specifically refused to join the war, because they knew they will be betrayed again if they do. Iran is oppressive dictatorship - but original war plan was to keep it as oppressive dictatorship and negotiate with new head for oil. Like what happened in Venezuela. Iran is what happens when Islam goes bad. And on top of it all, USA seems to despise other western democratic countries, is attacking them as much as it can and is trying to make them weaker. And supports those far right movements. > still only at a relatively benign 3 or 4 USA is better country then Iran internally. Absolutely. It is also massively more powerful and is causing more issues then Iran can cause. Greenland thing was not benign. Financial help to AFD is not benign. AFD are literally people who want nazi germany happen again. Support to Russia is not benign. Starting the war against Iran and causing worldwide economic issues worldwide is not benign. Murdering those boatsmen is not benign.

by watwut 5mo ago

warumdarum 5mo ago

Are you at all aware of the reguons history and the endless proxxy war between suni and shia?

watwut 5mo ago
Yes I am aware of regions history. Nothing in that goes against what I wrote. I am also aware of UAE, Saudi Arabia and Israel's history or recent actions. And of American involvement in region. Are you aware of ongoing proxy war between UAE and Saudi? You dont get to tear down nuclear agreement that was followed, then bomb twice during negotiations and then pretend the whole thing is about nuclear concern other side caused. And you dont get then try to shift the topic from nuclear to proxy war between everyone and everyone in that region. And if you are looking for the "good vs bad" division in this war, all I see is bunch of dictatorships, countries directly or indirectly engaged in current genocides and invasions. And country that caused this particular war and is in the process to become like that too. I am also aware and American actions in Greenland, murders in pacific and Venezuela. I am also aware of masculine insecurity and its relation to "starting wars to make us feel cool and powerful" factor of the situation.

lelanthran 5mo ago

I'm not sure what point you are replying to; my reading of GP's (somewhat incoherent) post is that Iran has more in common with Nazi Germany than it does with (most) of western civilisation. If we're working on a scale of 1-10 for "how close is a ruling government to Nazi Germany", Iran is maybe a 7 or 8. The US, despite Trump's best efforts, is still only at a relatively benign 3 or 4.

watwut 5mo ago
> my reading of GP's (somewhat incoherent) post is that Iran has more in common with Nazi Germany than it does with (most) of western civilisation. I not sure what I am supposed to take away from this comparison. I never claimed Iran, UAE or Saudi are western civilizations. And conversely, Nazi Germany was a product of western civilization and still have active western fans. Notably, in the form of German AfD and guess who was giving them money and supporting them lately. And also notably in the form of Stephen Miller and sigh heiling American business leaders and politicians. > If we're working on a scale of 1-10 for "how close is a ruling government to Nazi Germany", Iran is maybe a 7 or 8. The relevant difference being that Nazi Germany started the war of conquest. In this case, USA started this war for no good reason and celebrates conquest. Nazi Germany committed genocide. Israel committed genocide and USA punished people from saying it out loud. Iran, UAE and Saudi all mistreat their minorities, Iran probably the most. And still, Iranian minorities specifically refused to join the war, because they knew they will be betrayed again if they do. Iran is oppressive dictatorship - but original war plan was to keep it as oppressive dictatorship and negotiate with new head for oil. Like what happened in Venezuela. Iran is what happens when Islam goes bad. And on top of it all, USA seems to despise other western democratic countries, is attacking them as much as it can and is trying to make them weaker. And supports those far right movements. > still only at a relatively benign 3 or 4 USA is better country then Iran internally. Absolutely. It is also massively more powerful and is causing more issues then Iran can cause. Greenland thing was not benign. Financial help to AFD is not benign. AFD are literally people who want nazi germany happen again. Support to Russia is not benign. Starting the war against Iran and causing worldwide economic issues worldwide is not benign. Murdering those boatsmen is not benign.