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> Why do we need AI here? AI psychosis is a real thing and an actual mental health issue.

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rf15 4mo ago
funny speculative question: psychosis is evidently a gradient. Does AI just highlight latent general psychosis (i.e. in the simplified interpretation of a worldview shaped more by unchecked belief and fantasy than observation) in otherwise largely functional people? What if the problem is that we train people too much to take things that are being said at face value without questioning/observing them, increasing the psychosis problem?
- ethbr1 4mo ago
  Everyone is susceptible to addictions or psychosis to some degree. What matters is when the stimulus presented exceeds their resistance. Extended AI use is a highly attractive stimulus that exceeds most people's resistance, especially when sycophantically interacted with in an echo chamber (human-AI, with no other humans in the room). So yes, it's dangerous in the same way that cigarettes and social media are. Just because some people can avoid slipping into it, doesn't mean we should ignore population-as-a-whole outcomes.
xnx 4mo ago
Similar to anti-AI derangement
- otabdeveloper4 4mo ago
  No. There is no "anti-AI derangement", the reaction to slop is normal.
  - akerl_ 4mo ago
    Spamming an open source developer with angry comments because they decided to use a new tool for the code they write and publish freely is not normal.
    - dragontamer 4mo ago
      This is rsync we are talking about. A bug in rsync basically means lost data and/or unreliable backups. I think it's normal to be pissed at lost data. Maybe it's not socially acceptable to spit in the face of a volunteer but it's 100% human to feel annoyed by an obvious drop in code quality.
      - akerl_ 4mo ago
        > Maybe it's not socially acceptable to spit in the face of a volunteer Why are you hedging this? Do you think maybe it is socially acceptable?
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        dragontamer 4mo ago
        This isn't a hedge at all. There is likely an English mistake/misinterpretstion being made here. I am a native English speaker btw.
        akerl_ 4mo ago
        Do you believe the comments in this GitHub issue are acceptable social discourse towards an open source maintainer?
        dragontamer 4mo ago
        The first comment, which is a screenshot from Mastodon, is perfectly acceptable. There is a clear regression between newer versions of rsync. Then egos got bruised and things leave the realm of reason soon after. But coming with a request saying "Version X worked while version Y doesn't", with maybe some degree of annoyance, is fine.
- nbaugh1 4mo ago
  It really is an odd feeling to be in between the 2 extremes
  - ethbr1 4mo ago
    The problem is that both camps take their positions as religious righteousness, which lobotomizes their abilities to have productive, pros and cons discussions about matters at hand. The internet/apps of the last 20 years have not exactly boosted people's ability to think critically and set aside their passions though. Much easier to keep eyeballs glued and sell them ads if you encourage their baser impulses.
  - weakfish 4mo ago
    take heart knowing at least I'm there with ya.
- watwut 4mo ago
  You might want to use different term. After all, Trump derangement syndrome turned out to be "people who actually listen to him and say truth about him". X-derangement thing is not used in reference to people whobare wrong or lying, but in reference to people who are making correct observations
pibaker 4mo ago
The only psychotic behavior I see in the linked issue comes from the anti AI people.

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rf15 4mo ago

funny speculative question: psychosis is evidently a gradient. Does AI just highlight latent general psychosis (i.e. in the simplified interpretation of a worldview shaped more by unchecked belief and fantasy than observation) in otherwise largely functional people? What if the problem is that we train people too much to take things that are being said at face value without questioning/observing them, increasing the psychosis problem?

ethbr1 4mo ago
Everyone is susceptible to addictions or psychosis to some degree. What matters is when the stimulus presented exceeds their resistance. Extended AI use is a highly attractive stimulus that exceeds most people's resistance, especially when sycophantically interacted with in an echo chamber (human-AI, with no other humans in the room). So yes, it's dangerous in the same way that cigarettes and social media are. Just because some people can avoid slipping into it, doesn't mean we should ignore population-as-a-whole outcomes.

xnx 4mo ago

Similar to anti-AI derangement

otabdeveloper4 4mo ago
No. There is no "anti-AI derangement", the reaction to slop is normal.
- akerl_ 4mo ago
  Spamming an open source developer with angry comments because they decided to use a new tool for the code they write and publish freely is not normal.
  - dragontamer 4mo ago
    This is rsync we are talking about. A bug in rsync basically means lost data and/or unreliable backups. I think it's normal to be pissed at lost data. Maybe it's not socially acceptable to spit in the face of a volunteer but it's 100% human to feel annoyed by an obvious drop in code quality.
    - akerl_ 4mo ago
      > Maybe it's not socially acceptable to spit in the face of a volunteer Why are you hedging this? Do you think maybe it is socially acceptable?
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      - dragontamer 4mo ago
        This isn't a hedge at all. There is likely an English mistake/misinterpretstion being made here. I am a native English speaker btw.
        akerl_ 4mo ago
        Do you believe the comments in this GitHub issue are acceptable social discourse towards an open source maintainer?
        dragontamer 4mo ago
        The first comment, which is a screenshot from Mastodon, is perfectly acceptable. There is a clear regression between newer versions of rsync. Then egos got bruised and things leave the realm of reason soon after. But coming with a request saying "Version X worked while version Y doesn't", with maybe some degree of annoyance, is fine.
nbaugh1 4mo ago
It really is an odd feeling to be in between the 2 extremes
- ethbr1 4mo ago
  The problem is that both camps take their positions as religious righteousness, which lobotomizes their abilities to have productive, pros and cons discussions about matters at hand. The internet/apps of the last 20 years have not exactly boosted people's ability to think critically and set aside their passions though. Much easier to keep eyeballs glued and sell them ads if you encourage their baser impulses.
- weakfish 4mo ago
  take heart knowing at least I'm there with ya.
watwut 4mo ago
You might want to use different term. After all, Trump derangement syndrome turned out to be "people who actually listen to him and say truth about him". X-derangement thing is not used in reference to people whobare wrong or lying, but in reference to people who are making correct observations

pibaker 4mo ago

The only psychotic behavior I see in the linked issue comes from the anti AI people.