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wtf is this comment section? The author of these commits were tridge & claude. What does tridge have to do to convince the open source community that he might

by Quarrel 4mo ago

wtf is this comment section? The author of these commits were tridge & claude. What does tridge have to do to convince the open source community that he might be a legit programmer & have a clue? Samba? Whats that? Rsync? Never heard of it. Tivo? No clue (maybe more Australian context here than others, but still). Even the comments on the github issue, are totally devoid of the context that this is a very senior open source contributer who has maintained this project since he came up with the diff algorithm during his Phd, started the project and now chooses to acknowledge that he's using claude. Is there any evidence that the bug rate on rsync is any worse than it used to be? or just a screenshot from mastadon? It is just so bizarre to me.

dash2 4mo ago
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- SyneRyder 4mo ago
  Those posts may not have been visible to everyone. The posts you're referencing are hidden for me behind a link "33 Remaining Items (load more)". Without the update, I didn't know to go look for them. And honestly I noped out of scanning the entire comment thread by about #5 or #6... I could tell there was nothing productive in the remainder of the comments.
  - mschuster91 4mo ago
    Actually it is, someone compiled allll the actual bug reports tracing back to AI: https://github.com/RsyncProject/rsync/issues/929#issuecomment-4585687806 https://github.com/RsyncProject/rsync/issues/929#issuecommen...
- mschuster91 4mo ago
  > Then somebody screenshots the geographical location "Israel" to attack another commenter. He gets lots of upvotes for it, too. And you got downvoted for calling out that crap. A sad state this world is in.
  - miroljub 4mo ago
    Yep. When someone does that, he gets rightfully called out. On the other side, accusations of being Russian trol are pretty common, even here on HN. Why are people more sensitive to antisemitism than to antislavism? Double standards, or just a hate induced by decades / centuries of indoctrination?
    - mschuster91 4mo ago
      > Why are people more sensitive to antisemitism than to antislavism? Calling someone a vatnik or Russian troll is mostly because the statement that provokes such a callout reproduces Russian propaganda talking points, and Russia has been running propaganda campaigns for well over a decade now. Similarly, ordinary Russians aren't called orcs, but Russian soldiers are called that because of their despicable behavior in the war theatre.
      - vasac 4mo ago
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      - miroljub 4mo ago
        Replace Russia with Israel and everything you said also applies. That's not an answer to the question you quoted.
        dash2 4mo ago
        Nobody was talking about Israel or Israeli policies towards Gaza, and there's no evidence that anyone in the thread is anything to do with the Israeli military.
- gsich 4mo ago
  "antisemitism" loses it's meaning if you are using it this way.
  - dash2 4mo ago
    Literally the only thing the guy posted was a copy-pasted "Israel" location. What other possible interpretation is there than "this guy is from Israel, so you can't trust him"?
    - gsich 4mo ago
      So? Still not antisemitism.
ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
> this is a very senior open source contributer who has maintained this project since he came up with the diff algorithm during his Phd People change. You can be Linus Torvalds for all I care, if one day you wake up and start pushing 9000 line commits created by LLM and with regressions, you're not that person anymore.
- Quarrel 4mo ago
  But DID anything change? Of course I know that some people can just becoming psychotic out of nowhere. But why would I assume it?
  - ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
    Do you think LLM use is evidence of psychosis? I think it's a widespread problem but probably not psychosis.
    - pojzon 4mo ago
      At least once a week we have a post on HN about CEOs having AI paychosis. Maybe there is something to it.
      - ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
        I like the term paychosis
  - ablob 4mo ago
    According to the thread rsync broke for incremental backups and increases the cpu load heavily. The whole thread only started because people noticed regressions and were wondering what happened. Since I quite a few users are using distros that won't update for a while it gets even better: this trend may continue and as soon as the update actually happens we'll be so far down the road that it will be too late to take a step back and reconsider due to the delayed feedback. This is pretty much about the few people _already_ having issues with it. That being said, if the creator wants to use AI to work on the project they are free to do so. I just hope nothing of value is lost because of it. P.S.: If you stop writing by hand and start delegating - to AI or other people - something has changed. There shouldn't be any discussion about it. Delegation is different than writing it yourself.
oytis 4mo ago
I'm not sure about tridge personally, but I've regularly seen real competent engineers introduce obvious hallucinations when using coding agents. Review fatigue is real, and you just cannot own the code you didn't write to the same degree as the one you wrote
- watwut 4mo ago
  My consistent observation is that seniors who do only or mostly code reviews for several months end up making worst and worst code review. They nitpick thinks that dont matter more and more ... and miss big architectural issues, maintennability issues and bugs more amd more. There is no reason to think reviewing AI code more then writing own wont have the same effect.
izacus 4mo ago
> Is there any evidence that the bug rate on rsync is any worse than it used to be? or just a screenshot from mastadon? There's plenty of evidence that rsync 3.4.3 has broken a bunch of features like incremental copies, yes. Which is why your post is a great proof of how AI derangement can make previously great engineers output broken dangerous slop.
- thevinter 4mo ago
  Has rsync never broken features before, without AI?
  - fg137 4mo ago
    Have features been broken in patch versions?
  - izacus 4mo ago
    I don't remember of any examples, no. I'm sure you can use your clanker to answer that though and also plot out the number of occurences.
joshka 4mo ago
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netsharc 4mo ago
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- Diti 4mo ago
  Your opinion reminds me of the narrative about cheaters in the speedrunning community. The cheaters say they cheat not because they feel superior, but because they feel “they could achieve good results if they put in the time”. They feel entitled to cheating.
- Quarrel 4mo ago
  Thanks very much for this- I had not seen it. It does not paint a pretty picture, and I did not know this context. Perhap the tridge I knew is also of the past, but I hope not.

by Quarrel 4mo ago

dash2 4mo ago

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SyneRyder 4mo ago
Those posts may not have been visible to everyone. The posts you're referencing are hidden for me behind a link "33 Remaining Items (load more)". Without the update, I didn't know to go look for them. And honestly I noped out of scanning the entire comment thread by about #5 or #6... I could tell there was nothing productive in the remainder of the comments.
- mschuster91 4mo ago
  Actually it is, someone compiled allll the actual bug reports tracing back to AI: https://github.com/RsyncProject/rsync/issues/929#issuecomment-4585687806 https://github.com/RsyncProject/rsync/issues/929#issuecommen...
mschuster91 4mo ago
> Then somebody screenshots the geographical location "Israel" to attack another commenter. He gets lots of upvotes for it, too. And you got downvoted for calling out that crap. A sad state this world is in.
- miroljub 4mo ago
  Yep. When someone does that, he gets rightfully called out. On the other side, accusations of being Russian trol are pretty common, even here on HN. Why are people more sensitive to antisemitism than to antislavism? Double standards, or just a hate induced by decades / centuries of indoctrination?
  - mschuster91 4mo ago
    > Why are people more sensitive to antisemitism than to antislavism? Calling someone a vatnik or Russian troll is mostly because the statement that provokes such a callout reproduces Russian propaganda talking points, and Russia has been running propaganda campaigns for well over a decade now. Similarly, ordinary Russians aren't called orcs, but Russian soldiers are called that because of their despicable behavior in the war theatre.
    - vasac 4mo ago
      [dead]
    - miroljub 4mo ago
      Replace Russia with Israel and everything you said also applies. That's not an answer to the question you quoted.
      - dash2 4mo ago
        Nobody was talking about Israel or Israeli policies towards Gaza, and there's no evidence that anyone in the thread is anything to do with the Israeli military.
gsich 4mo ago
"antisemitism" loses it's meaning if you are using it this way.
- dash2 4mo ago
  Literally the only thing the guy posted was a copy-pasted "Israel" location. What other possible interpretation is there than "this guy is from Israel, so you can't trust him"?
  - gsich 4mo ago
    So? Still not antisemitism.

ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago

> this is a very senior open source contributer who has maintained this project since he came up with the diff algorithm during his Phd People change. You can be Linus Torvalds for all I care, if one day you wake up and start pushing 9000 line commits created by LLM and with regressions, you're not that person anymore.

Quarrel 4mo ago
But DID anything change? Of course I know that some people can just becoming psychotic out of nowhere. But why would I assume it?
- ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
  Do you think LLM use is evidence of psychosis? I think it's a widespread problem but probably not psychosis.
  - pojzon 4mo ago
    At least once a week we have a post on HN about CEOs having AI paychosis. Maybe there is something to it.
    - ShinyLeftPad 4mo ago
      I like the term paychosis
- ablob 4mo ago
  According to the thread rsync broke for incremental backups and increases the cpu load heavily. The whole thread only started because people noticed regressions and were wondering what happened. Since I quite a few users are using distros that won't update for a while it gets even better: this trend may continue and as soon as the update actually happens we'll be so far down the road that it will be too late to take a step back and reconsider due to the delayed feedback. This is pretty much about the few people _already_ having issues with it. That being said, if the creator wants to use AI to work on the project they are free to do so. I just hope nothing of value is lost because of it. P.S.: If you stop writing by hand and start delegating - to AI or other people - something has changed. There shouldn't be any discussion about it. Delegation is different than writing it yourself.

oytis 4mo ago

I'm not sure about tridge personally, but I've regularly seen real competent engineers introduce obvious hallucinations when using coding agents. Review fatigue is real, and you just cannot own the code you didn't write to the same degree as the one you wrote

watwut 4mo ago
My consistent observation is that seniors who do only or mostly code reviews for several months end up making worst and worst code review. They nitpick thinks that dont matter more and more ... and miss big architectural issues, maintennability issues and bugs more amd more. There is no reason to think reviewing AI code more then writing own wont have the same effect.

izacus 4mo ago

> Is there any evidence that the bug rate on rsync is any worse than it used to be? or just a screenshot from mastadon? There's plenty of evidence that rsync 3.4.3 has broken a bunch of features like incremental copies, yes. Which is why your post is a great proof of how AI derangement can make previously great engineers output broken dangerous slop.

thevinter 4mo ago
Has rsync never broken features before, without AI?
- fg137 4mo ago
  Have features been broken in patch versions?
- izacus 4mo ago
  I don't remember of any examples, no. I'm sure you can use your clanker to answer that though and also plot out the number of occurences.

joshka 4mo ago

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netsharc 4mo ago

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Diti 4mo ago
Your opinion reminds me of the narrative about cheaters in the speedrunning community. The cheaters say they cheat not because they feel superior, but because they feel “they could achieve good results if they put in the time”. They feel entitled to cheating.
Quarrel 4mo ago
Thanks very much for this- I had not seen it. It does not paint a pretty picture, and I did not know this context. Perhap the tridge I knew is also of the past, but I hope not.