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Calling this a "tupper ware" seems a bit emotional, you're intentionally disregarding many things that matter for devs in order to try to claim equivalence, rat

Calling this a "tupper ware" seems a bit emotional, you're intentionally disregarding many things that matter for devs in order to try to claim equivalence, rather than paying attention to the actual process of software creation. For example in your "test" you're only looking at output and ignoring the entire process of creation. In addition to that process, you're ignoring that Claude Code was first and better for a long time, why would people switch for something that produces the same output? Claude Code has been way ahead in the process of agentic software creation for a long time, I still prefer its features. Even though I think that Opus 4.7 was a big step backwards, and I've been getting worse results seemingly every day with the churn of features at Claude Code, some of that may also be me testing the bounds of how little I can specify and still get acceptable results, so it's hard to know. Calling all these concrete realities "marketing" is itself you trying to market Codex as "good enough" instead of paying attention to how we got where we are and where we will go in the future.

412876 5mo ago
No, Tupperware is the exact analogy. As you point out though, the multi level marketing applies to all models. Anthropic is just the most aggressive, especially here. Software developers are the most susceptible of all population groups for amplifying their employers' new whims. There are true believers and useful idiots, but many are just mediocre and know that playing along will further their career for a couple of years. In the end they will be fired anyway of course.
amazingamazing 5mo ago
Tupperware party is a particular thing about the social framework around promoting corporate goods.
- epistasis 5mo ago
  You might want to expand on that a bit. Tupper ware parties were a way for housewives to make a bit of money on a pyramid scheme, socialize, and have fun. Are you suggesting that Anthropic is giving kickbacks to devs that talk about their positive experiences with Claude Code? Seems false, so I don't think that's it. Are you saying people are having fun talking about Claude Code socially ans ann escape from their everyday routine? Also seems false Are you talking about how it's mere housewives that are supposedly easily susceptible to marketing? Or are you assuming that we all think housewives only bought Tupperware because they are mindless sheep? That seems to be what you are implying but I don't agree with either that characterization of housewives' tupper ware parties, as it's merely an emotional dismissive mid characterization, and I further disagree that even if it were a correct characterization of Tupper ware parties it's obviously nothing like anything I have seen anywhere with Claude Code, and I'm a freelancer with insight to several different sizes of companies and cultures over the past year.
  - amazingamazing 5mo ago
    https://claude.com/community/ambassadors https://claude.com/community/ambassadors https://www.tupperware.com/pages/host-a-party?srsltid=AfmBOorinAG57Q3GczrFdxA4X7gpceKHea1GVX7OuUkRkQ6ULQfCYk9y https://www.tupperware.com/pages/host-a-party?srsltid=AfmBOo... It really is the same thing. You and others get more credits or gift social gathering, expanded opportunities, etc.
    - epistasis 5mo ago
      I've seen OpenClaw events, but I've never seen an Anthropic event, anywhere. Are you actually asserting that Claude Ambassadors are a significant fraction of the cause of adoption? If so, why have Codex Ambassadors been so less successful? https://developers.openai.com/community/codex-ambassadors https://developers.openai.com/community/codex-ambassadors If you've met people that have been to these sorts of things, sure, I guess I can sort of understand your post, but come on, who has even heard of this sort of party on HN? I've been going to Python data meetups, Machine Learning meetups, etc, back to the times when AI was an uncool word whose usage would mark the speaker as completely incompetent. I guess you could call them Tupperware marketing parties but come on, it's just an emotionally charged way of describing a normal way of exchanging information amongst professionals. Ambassador programs? Yes, cringe, but seriously who has even seen an actual "Ambassador" or taken them at their word rather than viewing them as a detriment to the thing they are advertising?
bluebands 5mo ago
Claude Code was first by a few weeks and only better for those few weeks! Have you used Codex in 2025?
mold_aid 5mo ago
>Calling this a "tupper ware" seems a bit emotional Calling this "emotional" seems a little weird

412876 5mo ago

No, Tupperware is the exact analogy. As you point out though, the multi level marketing applies to all models. Anthropic is just the most aggressive, especially here. Software developers are the most susceptible of all population groups for amplifying their employers' new whims. There are true believers and useful idiots, but many are just mediocre and know that playing along will further their career for a couple of years. In the end they will be fired anyway of course.

amazingamazing 5mo ago

Tupperware party is a particular thing about the social framework around promoting corporate goods.

epistasis 5mo ago
You might want to expand on that a bit. Tupper ware parties were a way for housewives to make a bit of money on a pyramid scheme, socialize, and have fun. Are you suggesting that Anthropic is giving kickbacks to devs that talk about their positive experiences with Claude Code? Seems false, so I don't think that's it. Are you saying people are having fun talking about Claude Code socially ans ann escape from their everyday routine? Also seems false Are you talking about how it's mere housewives that are supposedly easily susceptible to marketing? Or are you assuming that we all think housewives only bought Tupperware because they are mindless sheep? That seems to be what you are implying but I don't agree with either that characterization of housewives' tupper ware parties, as it's merely an emotional dismissive mid characterization, and I further disagree that even if it were a correct characterization of Tupper ware parties it's obviously nothing like anything I have seen anywhere with Claude Code, and I'm a freelancer with insight to several different sizes of companies and cultures over the past year.
- amazingamazing 5mo ago
  https://claude.com/community/ambassadors https://claude.com/community/ambassadors https://www.tupperware.com/pages/host-a-party?srsltid=AfmBOorinAG57Q3GczrFdxA4X7gpceKHea1GVX7OuUkRkQ6ULQfCYk9y https://www.tupperware.com/pages/host-a-party?srsltid=AfmBOo... It really is the same thing. You and others get more credits or gift social gathering, expanded opportunities, etc.
  - epistasis 5mo ago
    I've seen OpenClaw events, but I've never seen an Anthropic event, anywhere. Are you actually asserting that Claude Ambassadors are a significant fraction of the cause of adoption? If so, why have Codex Ambassadors been so less successful? https://developers.openai.com/community/codex-ambassadors https://developers.openai.com/community/codex-ambassadors If you've met people that have been to these sorts of things, sure, I guess I can sort of understand your post, but come on, who has even heard of this sort of party on HN? I've been going to Python data meetups, Machine Learning meetups, etc, back to the times when AI was an uncool word whose usage would mark the speaker as completely incompetent. I guess you could call them Tupperware marketing parties but come on, it's just an emotionally charged way of describing a normal way of exchanging information amongst professionals. Ambassador programs? Yes, cringe, but seriously who has even seen an actual "Ambassador" or taken them at their word rather than viewing them as a detriment to the thing they are advertising?

bluebands 5mo ago

Claude Code was first by a few weeks and only better for those few weeks! Have you used Codex in 2025?

mold_aid 5mo ago

>Calling this a "tupper ware" seems a bit emotional Calling this "emotional" seems a little weird