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Luxury cars are indeed a good comparison. The subjective joy is a result of the delusion. That is why so much money is spent on such marketing to begin with. Th

Luxury cars are indeed a good comparison. The subjective joy is a result of the delusion. That is why so much money is spent on such marketing to begin with. The analogous comparison would be if a blindfolded passenger turned out to prefer the Sienna to the 911.

mewpmewp2 5mo ago
I would actually say it is a luxury car where you have your personal driver and you are free to work on other tasks, and it gets you faster to the destination. Time to me is at least the most valuable thing.
bibimsz 5mo ago
this site is reddit 2.0
ctvo 5mo ago
> The subjective joy is a result of the delusion. Repeat after me: _Other people can experience things you do not experience and it is still valid, and not a delusion_. They are not sheeple who fell for marketing.
- tasuki 5mo ago
  I understand that's your opinion, but don't feel any inclination to repeat that. Sure, the subjective joy is valid, and yet it was 100% induced by marketing. > They are not sheeple who fell for marketing. People generally fall for marketing. Why do you think these specific people didn't?
  - timfsu 5mo ago
    Imagine you try two products you’ve never heard of. You prefer one over the other. Was it marketing? That’s what’s happening here. Marketing can get you to try something you wouldn’t have otherwise, and it may suggest benefits you’d get if you tried it, but your preference of using one thing or the other is a subjective experience of your own.
    - tasuki 5mo ago
      > Imagine you try two products you’ve never heard of. You prefer one over the other. Was it marketing? No, obviously not. > That’s what’s happening here. No, that's not what's happening here. > Marketing can get you to try something you wouldn’t have otherwise, and it may suggest benefits you’d get if you tried it, but your preference of using one thing or the other is a subjective experience of your own. Marketing can very much shape your preferences and create wishes you didn't have before. That's why companies invest so much money in marketing.
hgoel 5mo ago
I hope you can one day grow to understand that other people have preferences that are different to your own.
wtetzner 5mo ago
I suspect a blindfolded passenger might prefer the Sienna. I can imagine it might be easier to get carsick blindfolded in a 911. But also, as a driver, there is a clear difference between a Sienna and a 911. The differences are objective, but of course the preferences are subjective.

mewpmewp2 5mo ago

I would actually say it is a luxury car where you have your personal driver and you are free to work on other tasks, and it gets you faster to the destination. Time to me is at least the most valuable thing.

bibimsz 5mo ago

this site is reddit 2.0

ctvo 5mo ago

> The subjective joy is a result of the delusion. Repeat after me: _Other people can experience things you do not experience and it is still valid, and not a delusion_. They are not sheeple who fell for marketing.

tasuki 5mo ago
I understand that's your opinion, but don't feel any inclination to repeat that. Sure, the subjective joy is valid, and yet it was 100% induced by marketing. > They are not sheeple who fell for marketing. People generally fall for marketing. Why do you think these specific people didn't?
- timfsu 5mo ago
  Imagine you try two products you’ve never heard of. You prefer one over the other. Was it marketing? That’s what’s happening here. Marketing can get you to try something you wouldn’t have otherwise, and it may suggest benefits you’d get if you tried it, but your preference of using one thing or the other is a subjective experience of your own.
  - tasuki 5mo ago
    > Imagine you try two products you’ve never heard of. You prefer one over the other. Was it marketing? No, obviously not. > That’s what’s happening here. No, that's not what's happening here. > Marketing can get you to try something you wouldn’t have otherwise, and it may suggest benefits you’d get if you tried it, but your preference of using one thing or the other is a subjective experience of your own. Marketing can very much shape your preferences and create wishes you didn't have before. That's why companies invest so much money in marketing.

hgoel 5mo ago

I hope you can one day grow to understand that other people have preferences that are different to your own.

wtetzner 5mo ago

I suspect a blindfolded passenger might prefer the Sienna. I can imagine it might be easier to get carsick blindfolded in a 911. But also, as a driver, there is a clear difference between a Sienna and a 911. The differences are objective, but of course the preferences are subjective.