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I don't think China needs the kind of scientists disproportionately affected by the bad orange man's vendetta.

Macha 4mo ago
Well if they want to stop all improvements to their electric car industry that is letting them out compete European, Japanese and US manufacturers, solar panels have clearly not been important to them, and their rocket programs don’t need anyone working on transfer orbits and god forbid anyone describes the materials they test as “diverse”…
sseagull 4mo ago
The chaos is affecting pretty much all areas of science, not just the controversial ones. I work in non-controversial, pretty run-of-the-mill chemistry research and the attacks on the NSF have certainly impacted our funding situation. Very long delays in proposal review, complete pivoting to AI, etc. I have co-workers panicking over the green card changes. And the overall morale is pretty grim everywhere. Edit: don’t forget how he’s forcing NSF headquarters to move. All the NSF, not just the “bad” research. Almost everyone has entertained the idea of leaving the US for more stability, which is required for research.
- yareally 4mo ago
  I work for an org that makes research software for chemistry and other branches of science and it's definitely hit us in sales. No one wants to spend money if they don't know if they're going to get or keep the grants they petitioned for.
  - sseagull 4mo ago
    Oh I’m sure we could commiserate about that. I think we work in vaguely the same area. Unfortunately, getting money from industry isn’t much easier in my opinion. We have some software projects we want to spin out into a small business or non-profit (because federal funding…), but industry is absolutely cold right now. Had a few very promising partners lined up, but it all evaporated last spring. Between tariffs, AI spending, and now oil, everyone is reluctant to spend.
- plagiarist 4mo ago
  You're writing a response to a racist who supports Donald out of racism, even despite the innumerable policy failures.
vonneumannstan 4mo ago
You mean Vaccine researchers? Or renewable energy researchers?
- b65e8bee43c2ed0 4mo ago
  oh, don't be coy. https://nsf-gov-resources.nsf.gov/files/NSF-Terminated-Awards.csv https://nsf-gov-resources.nsf.gov/files/NSF-Terminated-Award... I wouldn't even need to cherry pick.
  - Untagged0060 4mo ago
    The first item on the list is 44M for quantum materials. Can you please explain why cancelling it is in the national interest of the US? Other than the fact that Harvard didn't admit Daddy's favorite boy?
    - bsdetector 4mo ago
      https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/show-award/?AWD_ID=1231319&amp=&HistoricalAwards=false https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/show-award/?AWD_ID=1231319&a... Appears it didn't receive any funds since 2022 after being extended for years (so your "daddy" is Biden) and wouldn't get any more money so was canceled to get it off the books. If anything this shows the list includes regular grants that were canceled for normal reasons, which further demonstrates the cuts were not of real science.
      - convolvatron 4mo ago
        that doesn't imply anything at all, just that some grants weren't cancelled for political reasons
        bsdetector 4mo ago
        It implies that this list is the entirety of the cancelled NSF grants instead of a cherrypicked woke subset.

Macha 4mo ago

Well if they want to stop all improvements to their electric car industry that is letting them out compete European, Japanese and US manufacturers, solar panels have clearly not been important to them, and their rocket programs don’t need anyone working on transfer orbits and god forbid anyone describes the materials they test as “diverse”…

sseagull 4mo ago

The chaos is affecting pretty much all areas of science, not just the controversial ones. I work in non-controversial, pretty run-of-the-mill chemistry research and the attacks on the NSF have certainly impacted our funding situation. Very long delays in proposal review, complete pivoting to AI, etc. I have co-workers panicking over the green card changes. And the overall morale is pretty grim everywhere. Edit: don’t forget how he’s forcing NSF headquarters to move. All the NSF, not just the “bad” research. Almost everyone has entertained the idea of leaving the US for more stability, which is required for research.

yareally 4mo ago
I work for an org that makes research software for chemistry and other branches of science and it's definitely hit us in sales. No one wants to spend money if they don't know if they're going to get or keep the grants they petitioned for.
- sseagull 4mo ago
  Oh I’m sure we could commiserate about that. I think we work in vaguely the same area. Unfortunately, getting money from industry isn’t much easier in my opinion. We have some software projects we want to spin out into a small business or non-profit (because federal funding…), but industry is absolutely cold right now. Had a few very promising partners lined up, but it all evaporated last spring. Between tariffs, AI spending, and now oil, everyone is reluctant to spend.
plagiarist 4mo ago
You're writing a response to a racist who supports Donald out of racism, even despite the innumerable policy failures.

vonneumannstan 4mo ago

You mean Vaccine researchers? Or renewable energy researchers?

b65e8bee43c2ed0 4mo ago
oh, don't be coy. https://nsf-gov-resources.nsf.gov/files/NSF-Terminated-Awards.csv https://nsf-gov-resources.nsf.gov/files/NSF-Terminated-Award... I wouldn't even need to cherry pick.
- Untagged0060 4mo ago
  The first item on the list is 44M for quantum materials. Can you please explain why cancelling it is in the national interest of the US? Other than the fact that Harvard didn't admit Daddy's favorite boy?
  - bsdetector 4mo ago
    https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/show-award/?AWD_ID=1231319&amp=&HistoricalAwards=false https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/show-award/?AWD_ID=1231319&a... Appears it didn't receive any funds since 2022 after being extended for years (so your "daddy" is Biden) and wouldn't get any more money so was canceled to get it off the books. If anything this shows the list includes regular grants that were canceled for normal reasons, which further demonstrates the cuts were not of real science.
    - convolvatron 4mo ago
      that doesn't imply anything at all, just that some grants weren't cancelled for political reasons
      - bsdetector 4mo ago
        It implies that this list is the entirety of the cancelled NSF grants instead of a cherrypicked woke subset.