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I wouldn't say the present strategy worked a lot better so maybe the whole world had a point.

by emodendroket 5mo ago

thrownthatway 5mo ago
I never made that argument. I just tend to thing bullies should be crushed rather than appeased.
- deleted 5mo ago
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- vkou 5mo ago
  So, how are you planning on dealing with Trump and friends? Appeasement clearly isn't working.
- defrost 5mo ago
  So, dialysis patients had their supplies on a regular basis, and then the Ayatollah Khamenei was assassinated (hard to get more crushed) during peace negotiations, and now dialysis patients are at risk. Seems like being a bully achieved very little .. why tear up the original hard won agreement that allowed inspection and kept the uranium enrichment in check in the first place?
  - subscribed 5mo ago
    What do you mean why? His White House posted Obamas as monkeys, he hates everything Barrack achieved as a president and who he is. Trump is a scam artist as all his prior achievements show, so of course he will damage anything he can't turn into his personal profit. I bet his "negotiations" involve kickbacks for his family personally, in a similar way he "appropriated" profit from the seized Venezuelan tankers. Don't treat the guy like he was a philosopher. He's a felon, prominently mentioned in the infamous Trump-Epstein files.
- kdheiwns 5mo ago
  That's how the whole world is feeling about America now, yes. Nobody outside of America and Israel were ever remotely bothered by Iran. Especially not Japan, which had a good relationship with Iran going back a century. It's really just absurd how America decided to attack a partner of Japan and damage our economy so much for zero benefit whatsoever.
  - wafflemaker 5mo ago
    >zero benefit whatsoever. There were benefits achieved. I'm assuming you're a traditional Japaneese person that's not familiar with USA drama-level politics. But these drama-level politics are now affecting the fate of the whole world*. There is/was a children lovers ring which was gradually being revealed to have ties to many important people. People ready to start wars and cause suffering of millions just to steer the public opinion away from revelations on this child-lovers ring. You can learn more about this ring by googling it's apparent leader, whos name rhymes with Frankenstein. It looks like a man, who used to be named Milejkowski and has Polish roots, also had a great influence on this war even happening. His apparent leverage on Trump is not neccesarily disconnected from Frankenstein. And this attempt to steer the public opinion away from the subject until mid-term elections are done has largery succeeded. At least until the whole operation stopped being Venezuela '26 and is slowly nearing something like American Invasion of Vietnam. Additionally, while US people loose money due to Trump's War, many US companies are making a good buck on it (oil, military, more?). And these companies have money to influence US goverment decisions. Sorry to say it, as this makes the world look much more cynical and evil. At least compared to a world where Trump's War was started to zero benefit whatsoever. There are people benefitting on your loss. And even though your loss is arguably greater than their benefit, they don't care. * There's a good chance that thousands, worst case even millions, will starve. There are already crops NOT being planted due to fertilizer and fuel prices hike. Lack of this food will be felt in a few months to a year from now.
  - graemep 5mo ago
    > Nobody outside of America and Israel were ever remotely bothered by Iran That is not true. Saudi Arabia has been fighting a proxy war with them for years. The EU and Uk have had sanctions on them for years. Lots of people care about their treatment of religious minorities, gays and women.
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- ceheaaf 5mo ago
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  - thrownthatway 5mo ago
    > You don't just get to kill the ones you don't like. I mean ya kinda do. That’s how it’s always worked, that’s how it still works, and that’s how it will probably continue to work probably indefinitely, or at least from time to time, more or less so during different periods over time. The only issue is that there will invariably be consequences, but the leaders of nations are, to varying degrees, immune to a lot of that, themselves personally.
    - ceheaaf 5mo ago
      Insofar as a truism isn't an endorsement. Making people afraid you'll kill them seems like poor politics. Inevitably leads to shockingly wasteful wars. Better things to do. c.f. Iranian prime minister submits resignation citing IRGC takeover, because war exigencies. Nice one! USA! USA!
- snayan 5mo ago
  So, what's your proposal for dealing with Trump then? The world waits with bated breath...
  - subscribed 5mo ago
    May I suggest a very public trial and then seizure of all assets from this family, and then high security South-American prison?
    - tardedmeme 5mo ago
      Who would conduct that trial?
      - iwontberude 5mo ago
        Iran could do it
  - bregma 5mo ago
    A thrombus is a blood clot in a distal blood vessel. When it becomes dislodged it becomes known as an embolism which, if it settles in a pulmonary or coronary artery, can rapidly become fatal. The chances of this happening are greatly increased in the elderly and those with known circulatory problems. C'mon litle guy. You can make yourself famous. Be brave and let go of the wall of that leg vein. Say good bye to that comfy cankle and enter into your full glory.
- otabdeveloper4 5mo ago
  > I just tend to thing bullies should be crushed rather than appeased Cool it with the antisemitism. Netanyahu's actions were short-sighted but understandable, labeling him a "bully" is not fair.
deepsun 5mo ago
Hard to say at this point. Imagine in 50 years historians would write like "but crazy regimes kept developing nuclear weapons to exterminat nations they don't like, and the whole world just kept watching doing nothing until it was too late".
- eloisant 5mo ago
  The world was not "just watching doing nothing", there was a Iran nuclear deal that made sure they didn't get nuclear weapons.
  - deepsun 5mo ago
    Was. Expired in 2025, as agreed at its inception. Since then it's "just watching doing nothing".
- RobotToaster 5mo ago
  We already watched while the crazy Zionist regime developed nuclear weapons.
- netsharc 5mo ago
  Yeah, it's not very comfortable having a tiny-penis-syndrome's and alcoholic wife beater's fingers on the nuclear launch button...
- mda 5mo ago
  I know right? countries with nuclear arsenal constantly attacking like rabid dogs and has no respect to human life, what a nasty combination.
  - dsr_ 5mo ago
    It is. Guatemala, Grenada, Panama, Afghanistan, Afghanistan (that's deliberate), Kuwait, Ukraine, Georgia, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam (also deliberate)... all of these countries and more have been invaded by nuclear powers.

I wouldn't say the present strategy worked a lot better so maybe the whole world had a point.

thrownthatway 5mo ago

I never made that argument. I just tend to thing bullies should be crushed rather than appeased.

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vkou 5mo ago
So, how are you planning on dealing with Trump and friends? Appeasement clearly isn't working.
defrost 5mo ago
So, dialysis patients had their supplies on a regular basis, and then the Ayatollah Khamenei was assassinated (hard to get more crushed) during peace negotiations, and now dialysis patients are at risk. Seems like being a bully achieved very little .. why tear up the original hard won agreement that allowed inspection and kept the uranium enrichment in check in the first place?
- subscribed 5mo ago
  What do you mean why? His White House posted Obamas as monkeys, he hates everything Barrack achieved as a president and who he is. Trump is a scam artist as all his prior achievements show, so of course he will damage anything he can't turn into his personal profit. I bet his "negotiations" involve kickbacks for his family personally, in a similar way he "appropriated" profit from the seized Venezuelan tankers. Don't treat the guy like he was a philosopher. He's a felon, prominently mentioned in the infamous Trump-Epstein files.
kdheiwns 5mo ago
That's how the whole world is feeling about America now, yes. Nobody outside of America and Israel were ever remotely bothered by Iran. Especially not Japan, which had a good relationship with Iran going back a century. It's really just absurd how America decided to attack a partner of Japan and damage our economy so much for zero benefit whatsoever.
- wafflemaker 5mo ago
  >zero benefit whatsoever. There were benefits achieved. I'm assuming you're a traditional Japaneese person that's not familiar with USA drama-level politics. But these drama-level politics are now affecting the fate of the whole world*. There is/was a children lovers ring which was gradually being revealed to have ties to many important people. People ready to start wars and cause suffering of millions just to steer the public opinion away from revelations on this child-lovers ring. You can learn more about this ring by googling it's apparent leader, whos name rhymes with Frankenstein. It looks like a man, who used to be named Milejkowski and has Polish roots, also had a great influence on this war even happening. His apparent leverage on Trump is not neccesarily disconnected from Frankenstein. And this attempt to steer the public opinion away from the subject until mid-term elections are done has largery succeeded. At least until the whole operation stopped being Venezuela '26 and is slowly nearing something like American Invasion of Vietnam. Additionally, while US people loose money due to Trump's War, many US companies are making a good buck on it (oil, military, more?). And these companies have money to influence US goverment decisions. Sorry to say it, as this makes the world look much more cynical and evil. At least compared to a world where Trump's War was started to zero benefit whatsoever. There are people benefitting on your loss. And even though your loss is arguably greater than their benefit, they don't care. * There's a good chance that thousands, worst case even millions, will starve. There are already crops NOT being planted due to fertilizer and fuel prices hike. Lack of this food will be felt in a few months to a year from now.
- graemep 5mo ago
  > Nobody outside of America and Israel were ever remotely bothered by Iran That is not true. Saudi Arabia has been fighting a proxy war with them for years. The EU and Uk have had sanctions on them for years. Lots of people care about their treatment of religious minorities, gays and women.
deleted 5mo ago
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ceheaaf 5mo ago
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- thrownthatway 5mo ago
  > You don't just get to kill the ones you don't like. I mean ya kinda do. That’s how it’s always worked, that’s how it still works, and that’s how it will probably continue to work probably indefinitely, or at least from time to time, more or less so during different periods over time. The only issue is that there will invariably be consequences, but the leaders of nations are, to varying degrees, immune to a lot of that, themselves personally.
  - ceheaaf 5mo ago
    Insofar as a truism isn't an endorsement. Making people afraid you'll kill them seems like poor politics. Inevitably leads to shockingly wasteful wars. Better things to do. c.f. Iranian prime minister submits resignation citing IRGC takeover, because war exigencies. Nice one! USA! USA!
snayan 5mo ago
So, what's your proposal for dealing with Trump then? The world waits with bated breath...
- subscribed 5mo ago
  May I suggest a very public trial and then seizure of all assets from this family, and then high security South-American prison?
  - tardedmeme 5mo ago
    Who would conduct that trial?
    - iwontberude 5mo ago
      Iran could do it
- bregma 5mo ago
  A thrombus is a blood clot in a distal blood vessel. When it becomes dislodged it becomes known as an embolism which, if it settles in a pulmonary or coronary artery, can rapidly become fatal. The chances of this happening are greatly increased in the elderly and those with known circulatory problems. C'mon litle guy. You can make yourself famous. Be brave and let go of the wall of that leg vein. Say good bye to that comfy cankle and enter into your full glory.
otabdeveloper4 5mo ago
> I just tend to thing bullies should be crushed rather than appeased Cool it with the antisemitism. Netanyahu's actions were short-sighted but understandable, labeling him a "bully" is not fair.

deepsun 5mo ago

Hard to say at this point. Imagine in 50 years historians would write like "but crazy regimes kept developing nuclear weapons to exterminat nations they don't like, and the whole world just kept watching doing nothing until it was too late".

eloisant 5mo ago
The world was not "just watching doing nothing", there was a Iran nuclear deal that made sure they didn't get nuclear weapons.
- deepsun 5mo ago
  Was. Expired in 2025, as agreed at its inception. Since then it's "just watching doing nothing".
RobotToaster 5mo ago
We already watched while the crazy Zionist regime developed nuclear weapons.
netsharc 5mo ago
Yeah, it's not very comfortable having a tiny-penis-syndrome's and alcoholic wife beater's fingers on the nuclear launch button...
mda 5mo ago
I know right? countries with nuclear arsenal constantly attacking like rabid dogs and has no respect to human life, what a nasty combination.
- dsr_ 5mo ago
  It is. Guatemala, Grenada, Panama, Afghanistan, Afghanistan (that's deliberate), Kuwait, Ukraine, Georgia, Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam (also deliberate)... all of these countries and more have been invaded by nuclear powers.