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given the heavy correlation to those communities and anti AI sentiment. I've noticed the anti-AI sentiment is starting to die down. People are slowly realising
by userbinator 5mo ago
given the heavy correlation to those communities and anti AI sentiment.
I've noticed the anti-AI sentiment is starting to die down. People are slowly realising that, along with the voluminous amounts of slop, there are others who have been able to leverage AI with much success.
- Gamemaster1379 5mo agoYou say that, but just today I showcased my Megaman X Recomp on a Megaman subreddit. I got harassed by a drive-by anti-AI cabal and then the moderators of the subreddit removed my submission after I reported the harassment, citing that AI was involved, and AI is theft.
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- Gamemaster1379 5mo agoYeah, I may give a whirl to those subreddits, but it does really show the dissonance between a sect's visceral hatred of AI relative to their interests when they're rejecting the progress of a game on the game's own franchise's subreddit.
- Groxx 5mo agoLibraries purchase books. One for every book they loan out at a time, digitally or physically. The most recent noteworthy counter-example is archive.org breaching their "one purchase = one concurrent loan" limit during COVID, and they lost that court battle. If you're equating libraries to LLMs, then every leading-model company would have purchased ~every book, newspaper, movie, and song in existence at least once. They have not.
- darkwater 5mo agoBecause libraries predate copyright and publishers and all the industry behind it. If libraries were to be invented nowadays, they won't let them purchase a single physical book to be enjoyed by several different physical persons over the course of time. What the publishing industry would like to have is 1 physical person = 1 or more physical copies, not the other way round.
- layla5alive 5mo agoThis can't be overstated! Libraries would never be allowed to come into existence today. I think we should all think long and hard about the society we have collectively created. It is not too late to make an effort to fight to reclaim the rights and norms we've ceded...
- Groxx 5mo agoSo how do you explain LLM companies paying roughly none of it? If you're saying the protection is stronger now... how have they not been sued out of existence? Honestly at this point a library might be an easy sell, in some ways. Copyright holders would be getting something rather than nothing (or the nearly-nothing they get from streaming), they might leap at that.
- 47282847 5mo agoMany national libraries receive copies of “every” book published in the covered country. They don’t have to buy them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_library https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_library
- Groxx 5mo agoIf you're going by the broad definition and lack of "is this like 1 or 1,000,000 buildings" numbers, note that it also says: >Unlike public libraries, these rarely allow citizens to borrow books. Which would make them fairly irrelevant for this thread.
- userbinator 5mo agoLibraries purchase books. But not those who visit them and read for free.
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- Groxx 5mo agoAnd LLM companies purchase roughly nothing they train on (nor do their users), which is the point of the comparison here.
- idiotsecant 5mo agoThat's a pretty valid viewpoint, honestly. Unless the AI is open weights and free of charge it's using human effort that nobody paid for to do a commercial thing. I would make the argument that open weights models are ethically still maybe questionable, but at least it's making the output a public good
- stalfie 5mo agoThe counterpoint is that every company ever has based themselves on human effort they never paid for (usually). The entire scientific endeavour for example. Standing on the shoulders of giants and so on.
- zuzululu 5mo agobig reason why i stopped using reddit
- Gamemaster1379 5mo agoI've been off-and-on again. I stopped using it for years. I begrudgingly began using it again as I founded a private game server (before AI was viable, even, so it wasn't sued) for a game that shutdown a few years ago. Perhaps hilariously, the moderators there also didn't like me and told me to eat shit when I suggested people start doing packet captures. At least they warmed up to me over the years though and actually endorse the project now. Doesn't make the rest of the website any less of a cesspool though.
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- jamesu 5mo agoOne bizarre related thing I've noticed is often you will find people who otherwise seem ok with people violating the copyright and other various licenses by "decompiling" a game, but as soon as AI is involved suddenly it's a big controversial ethical issue... as if totally violating the authors rights is a minor inconvenience.
- ZenoArrow 5mo ago> I've noticed the anti-AI sentiment is starting to die down. I've noticed the opposite. Seems that it depends on where you're looking and what you're looking for.
- CM30 5mo agoDepends on the community. From my experience, the modding scenes for certain more recent games seem abivalent about it, or more willing to tolerate it, while the communities for modding older games tend to be more heavily against it. For example, when a Paper Mario decomp/port used AI, the subreddit for the series pretty much tore it to shreds for that. Mario fan communities in general tend to be really heavily against it, with Mario Fan Games Galaxy, SMW Central, and SMBX having rules which are basically "no AI allowed for submissions ever". Meanwhile my experience on sites like ROM Hacking.net is that AI is more accepted/tolerated there. So, it's very much a series by series thing. Best to check what the Mega Man community thinks of LLMs before you post it.