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I've been experimenting with AI in this space myself. Don't believe any of my projects are listed there but I posted an article some days back where I showcased

I've been experimenting with AI in this space myself. Don't believe any of my projects are listed there but I posted an article some days back where I showcased static recompilers all playing at least one commercial game for the NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, Virtual Boy and Playstation. I actually just announced a playable build of Megaman X today that eliminates all its slowdowns. Whether the broader communities will accept any of my work remains to be seek given the heavy correlation to those communities and anti AI sentiment.

userbinator 4mo ago
given the heavy correlation to those communities and anti AI sentiment. I've noticed the anti-AI sentiment is starting to die down. People are slowly realising that, along with the voluminous amounts of slop, there are others who have been able to leverage AI with much success.
- Gamemaster1379 4mo ago
  You say that, but just today I showcased my Megaman X Recomp on a Megaman subreddit. I got harassed by a drive-by anti-AI cabal and then the moderators of the subreddit removed my submission after I reported the harassment, citing that AI was involved, and AI is theft.
  - userbinator 4mo ago
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    - Gamemaster1379 4mo ago
      Yeah, I may give a whirl to those subreddits, but it does really show the dissonance between a sect's visceral hatred of AI relative to their interests when they're rejecting the progress of a game on the game's own franchise's subreddit.
    - Groxx 4mo ago
      Libraries purchase books. One for every book they loan out at a time, digitally or physically. The most recent noteworthy counter-example is archive.org breaching their "one purchase = one concurrent loan" limit during COVID, and they lost that court battle. If you're equating libraries to LLMs, then every leading-model company would have purchased ~every book, newspaper, movie, and song in existence at least once. They have not.
      - darkwater 4mo ago
        Because libraries predate copyright and publishers and all the industry behind it. If libraries were to be invented nowadays, they won't let them purchase a single physical book to be enjoyed by several different physical persons over the course of time. What the publishing industry would like to have is 1 physical person = 1 or more physical copies, not the other way round.
        layla5alive 4mo ago
        This can't be overstated! Libraries would never be allowed to come into existence today. I think we should all think long and hard about the society we have collectively created. It is not too late to make an effort to fight to reclaim the rights and norms we've ceded...
        Groxx 4mo ago
        So how do you explain LLM companies paying roughly none of it? If you're saying the protection is stronger now... how have they not been sued out of existence? Honestly at this point a library might be an easy sell, in some ways. Copyright holders would be getting something rather than nothing (or the nearly-nothing they get from streaming), they might leap at that.
      - 47282847 4mo ago
        Many national libraries receive copies of “every” book published in the covered country. They don’t have to buy them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_library https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_library
  - idiotsecant 4mo ago
    That's a pretty valid viewpoint, honestly. Unless the AI is open weights and free of charge it's using human effort that nobody paid for to do a commercial thing. I would make the argument that open weights models are ethically still maybe questionable, but at least it's making the output a public good
    - stalfie 4mo ago
      The counterpoint is that every company ever has based themselves on human effort they never paid for (usually). The entire scientific endeavour for example. Standing on the shoulders of giants and so on.
  - zuzululu 4mo ago
    big reason why i stopped using reddit
    - Gamemaster1379 4mo ago
      I've been off-and-on again. I stopped using it for years. I begrudgingly began using it again as I founded a private game server (before AI was viable, even, so it wasn't sued) for a game that shutdown a few years ago. Perhaps hilariously, the moderators there also didn't like me and told me to eat shit when I suggested people start doing packet captures. At least they warmed up to me over the years though and actually endorse the project now. Doesn't make the rest of the website any less of a cesspool though.
  - startpage_com 4mo ago
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  - jamesu 4mo ago
    One bizarre related thing I've noticed is often you will find people who otherwise seem ok with people violating the copyright and other various licenses by "decompiling" a game, but as soon as AI is involved suddenly it's a big controversial ethical issue... as if totally violating the authors rights is a minor inconvenience.
- ZenoArrow 4mo ago
  > I've noticed the anti-AI sentiment is starting to die down. I've noticed the opposite. Seems that it depends on where you're looking and what you're looking for.
- CM30 4mo ago
  Depends on the community. From my experience, the modding scenes for certain more recent games seem abivalent about it, or more willing to tolerate it, while the communities for modding older games tend to be more heavily against it. For example, when a Paper Mario decomp/port used AI, the subreddit for the series pretty much tore it to shreds for that. Mario fan communities in general tend to be really heavily against it, with Mario Fan Games Galaxy, SMW Central, and SMBX having rules which are basically "no AI allowed for submissions ever". Meanwhile my experience on sites like ROM Hacking.net is that AI is more accepted/tolerated there. So, it's very much a series by series thing. Best to check what the Mega Man community thinks of LLMs before you post it.

userbinator 4mo ago

given the heavy correlation to those communities and anti AI sentiment. I've noticed the anti-AI sentiment is starting to die down. People are slowly realising that, along with the voluminous amounts of slop, there are others who have been able to leverage AI with much success.

Gamemaster1379 4mo ago
You say that, but just today I showcased my Megaman X Recomp on a Megaman subreddit. I got harassed by a drive-by anti-AI cabal and then the moderators of the subreddit removed my submission after I reported the harassment, citing that AI was involved, and AI is theft.
- userbinator 4mo ago
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  - Gamemaster1379 4mo ago
    Yeah, I may give a whirl to those subreddits, but it does really show the dissonance between a sect's visceral hatred of AI relative to their interests when they're rejecting the progress of a game on the game's own franchise's subreddit.
  - Groxx 4mo ago
    Libraries purchase books. One for every book they loan out at a time, digitally or physically. The most recent noteworthy counter-example is archive.org breaching their "one purchase = one concurrent loan" limit during COVID, and they lost that court battle. If you're equating libraries to LLMs, then every leading-model company would have purchased ~every book, newspaper, movie, and song in existence at least once. They have not.
    - darkwater 4mo ago
      Because libraries predate copyright and publishers and all the industry behind it. If libraries were to be invented nowadays, they won't let them purchase a single physical book to be enjoyed by several different physical persons over the course of time. What the publishing industry would like to have is 1 physical person = 1 or more physical copies, not the other way round.
      - layla5alive 4mo ago
        This can't be overstated! Libraries would never be allowed to come into existence today. I think we should all think long and hard about the society we have collectively created. It is not too late to make an effort to fight to reclaim the rights and norms we've ceded...
      - Groxx 4mo ago
        So how do you explain LLM companies paying roughly none of it? If you're saying the protection is stronger now... how have they not been sued out of existence? Honestly at this point a library might be an easy sell, in some ways. Copyright holders would be getting something rather than nothing (or the nearly-nothing they get from streaming), they might leap at that.
    - 47282847 4mo ago
      Many national libraries receive copies of “every” book published in the covered country. They don’t have to buy them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_library https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_library
- idiotsecant 4mo ago
  That's a pretty valid viewpoint, honestly. Unless the AI is open weights and free of charge it's using human effort that nobody paid for to do a commercial thing. I would make the argument that open weights models are ethically still maybe questionable, but at least it's making the output a public good
  - stalfie 4mo ago
    The counterpoint is that every company ever has based themselves on human effort they never paid for (usually). The entire scientific endeavour for example. Standing on the shoulders of giants and so on.
- zuzululu 4mo ago
  big reason why i stopped using reddit
  - Gamemaster1379 4mo ago
    I've been off-and-on again. I stopped using it for years. I begrudgingly began using it again as I founded a private game server (before AI was viable, even, so it wasn't sued) for a game that shutdown a few years ago. Perhaps hilariously, the moderators there also didn't like me and told me to eat shit when I suggested people start doing packet captures. At least they warmed up to me over the years though and actually endorse the project now. Doesn't make the rest of the website any less of a cesspool though.
- startpage_com 4mo ago
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- jamesu 4mo ago
  One bizarre related thing I've noticed is often you will find people who otherwise seem ok with people violating the copyright and other various licenses by "decompiling" a game, but as soon as AI is involved suddenly it's a big controversial ethical issue... as if totally violating the authors rights is a minor inconvenience.
ZenoArrow 4mo ago
> I've noticed the anti-AI sentiment is starting to die down. I've noticed the opposite. Seems that it depends on where you're looking and what you're looking for.
CM30 4mo ago
Depends on the community. From my experience, the modding scenes for certain more recent games seem abivalent about it, or more willing to tolerate it, while the communities for modding older games tend to be more heavily against it. For example, when a Paper Mario decomp/port used AI, the subreddit for the series pretty much tore it to shreds for that. Mario fan communities in general tend to be really heavily against it, with Mario Fan Games Galaxy, SMW Central, and SMBX having rules which are basically "no AI allowed for submissions ever". Meanwhile my experience on sites like ROM Hacking.net is that AI is more accepted/tolerated there. So, it's very much a series by series thing. Best to check what the Mega Man community thinks of LLMs before you post it.