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It's not meaningless feel-good legislation, it's actively harmful by disincentivizing a bad thing, in favor of an even worse thing. See also car fuel economy st

by gwerbin 5mo ago

It's not meaningless feel-good legislation, it's actively harmful by disincentivizing a bad thing, in favor of an even worse thing. See also car fuel economy standards that push car makers into killing the wagon market segment in favor of SUVs.

NooneAtAll3 5mo ago
> See also car fuel economy standards that push car makers into killing the wagon market segment in favor of SUVs. by the way, why wasn't this bug fixed long ago?
jnovek 5mo ago
What will the negative impact of this law be, exactly? Hurting live service games which are already cancer?
- wilg 5mo ago
  No it will make everything a live service game
  - bayarearefugee 5mo ago
    Good luck with that. The industry already tried to make everything a live service game in the 2020-2022 period and it was financially disastrous because gamers rejected it. Gamers have made it clear that they don't want a market full of live service games unless they are free to play (and even then, very few will survive). They'll make rare exceptions for things like GTA6, but these will be unicorns.
    - xingped 5mo ago
      That certainly won't stop out of touch CEOs from choosing to do just that anyways. CEOs and making the stupidest possible decisions are also a match made in heaven.
      - riffruff24 5mo ago
        sony already cancelled like 5 in development live service games now since concord bombed? Certainly a lesson that is hard to learn.
- Sharlin 5mo ago
  It incentivizes subscription-based games.
  - sowbug 5mo ago
    Not exactly the same thing, but a few years ago the law changed to require a sesame-allergen notice on foods that had sesame. Some manufacturers starting adding sesame to foods that didn't need it, because they concluded that including the notice was easier than guaranteeing that their product was sesame-free. The intent of the law was to protect people with sesame allergies, but the result was fewer choices for them. Sometimes laws have unintended consequences. https://apnews.com/article/sesame-allergies-label-b28f8eb3dc846f2a19d87b03440848f1 https://apnews.com/article/sesame-allergies-label-b28f8eb3dc...
    - setr 5mo ago
      If a manufacturer is unwilling to guarantee/monitor the lack of sesame in their food, and you having a presumably severe sesame allergy… isn’t it correct not to be eating that food? Like previously you trusted their lack of sesame based on vibes, which you probably shouldn’t have been doing, and now they’re explicitly telling you not to trust them on this; this seems to me strictly better. You’ve lost a choice that never really existed in the first place An actually unintended consequence would be if they introduced sesame because they were going to have to put the label on it anyways
    - watwut 5mo ago
      The result was same choices as before, but more information about it. Per manufacturers, these were unsafe to eat things - they just wanted to kinda preted there is no danger in them.
  - slg 5mo ago
    The natural incentives had already pointed to subscription based games, these companies attempted it, and consumers mostly rejected it. I'm extremely dubious that this regulation would be enough to reverse that. It's a much easier decision for a company to put a small development team on readying the server tools for public release than brute forcing a new business model on a resistant consumer base and all the associated risks that come along with it.
- agoodusername63 5mo ago
  > However, it excludes games provided via subscription services, free-to-play games, and games that are inherently playable offline indefinitely. Live service games overwhelmingly fall into exactly this category. If anything they're being incentivized over making a game that has an online multiplayer but focus being singleplayer or anything intended to be released and moved on from.

by gwerbin 5mo ago

NooneAtAll3 5mo ago

> See also car fuel economy standards that push car makers into killing the wagon market segment in favor of SUVs. by the way, why wasn't this bug fixed long ago?

jnovek 5mo ago

What will the negative impact of this law be, exactly? Hurting live service games which are already cancer?

wilg 5mo ago
No it will make everything a live service game
- bayarearefugee 5mo ago
  Good luck with that. The industry already tried to make everything a live service game in the 2020-2022 period and it was financially disastrous because gamers rejected it. Gamers have made it clear that they don't want a market full of live service games unless they are free to play (and even then, very few will survive). They'll make rare exceptions for things like GTA6, but these will be unicorns.
  - xingped 5mo ago
    That certainly won't stop out of touch CEOs from choosing to do just that anyways. CEOs and making the stupidest possible decisions are also a match made in heaven.
    - riffruff24 5mo ago
      sony already cancelled like 5 in development live service games now since concord bombed? Certainly a lesson that is hard to learn.
Sharlin 5mo ago
It incentivizes subscription-based games.
- sowbug 5mo ago
  Not exactly the same thing, but a few years ago the law changed to require a sesame-allergen notice on foods that had sesame. Some manufacturers starting adding sesame to foods that didn't need it, because they concluded that including the notice was easier than guaranteeing that their product was sesame-free. The intent of the law was to protect people with sesame allergies, but the result was fewer choices for them. Sometimes laws have unintended consequences. https://apnews.com/article/sesame-allergies-label-b28f8eb3dc846f2a19d87b03440848f1 https://apnews.com/article/sesame-allergies-label-b28f8eb3dc...
  - setr 5mo ago
    If a manufacturer is unwilling to guarantee/monitor the lack of sesame in their food, and you having a presumably severe sesame allergy… isn’t it correct not to be eating that food? Like previously you trusted their lack of sesame based on vibes, which you probably shouldn’t have been doing, and now they’re explicitly telling you not to trust them on this; this seems to me strictly better. You’ve lost a choice that never really existed in the first place An actually unintended consequence would be if they introduced sesame because they were going to have to put the label on it anyways
  - watwut 5mo ago
    The result was same choices as before, but more information about it. Per manufacturers, these were unsafe to eat things - they just wanted to kinda preted there is no danger in them.
- slg 5mo ago
  The natural incentives had already pointed to subscription based games, these companies attempted it, and consumers mostly rejected it. I'm extremely dubious that this regulation would be enough to reverse that. It's a much easier decision for a company to put a small development team on readying the server tools for public release than brute forcing a new business model on a resistant consumer base and all the associated risks that come along with it.
agoodusername63 5mo ago
> However, it excludes games provided via subscription services, free-to-play games, and games that are inherently playable offline indefinitely. Live service games overwhelmingly fall into exactly this category. If anything they're being incentivized over making a game that has an online multiplayer but focus being singleplayer or anything intended to be released and moved on from.