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> And that is going to happen when all we have are what maybe some AR15s, and they have drones firing precision targeted ordinance at us from 50k feet? We have

> And that is going to happen when all we have are what maybe some AR15s, and they have drones firing precision targeted ordinance at us from 50k feet? We have enough guns for every man, woman, and child to have at least one. There aren't enough drones or expensive precision targeted ordinance in the world to defend against that for any length of time. It's another version of the lessons recently taught in Ukraine and Iran. Plus I think it is different when a poverty stricken population tries to rise up as compared with one that is historically wealthy. I expect we won't wait until we are actually poor before we collectively decide to refactor our government.

OKRainbowKid 4mo ago
I sincerely hope your optimism doesn't turn out to have been naivety.
asdff 4mo ago
The US has some 5000 nuclear warheads, of the stock we know about at least... Hope you don't live anywhere near a city in the top 500 list I suppose.
- notahacker 4mo ago
  I'm the last person to accuse the US of being sanely-governed, but you'll forgive me for not worrying any more about a conspiracy of billionaires with access to US nuclear arsenal all agreeing that the best way to ensure they live long and healthy lives unencumbered by vengeful proles/superpowers is to nuke the top 500 cities than I do about Roko's Basilisk or the end of the world as predicted by the Aztecs...
  - asdff 4mo ago
    I'm not worried about the billionaires, I'm worried about the models they are empowering.
    - notahacker 4mo ago
      I'm even less worried about AI models obtaining corporeal form to stride into the US nuclear bunkers to launch missiles against their own power infrastructure and datacenters...
      - asdff 4mo ago
        If you think that is what is required, you aren't keeping up.
        Loughla 4mo ago
        Okay then. What does the infrastructure around launching a nuclear weapon look like?
        asdff 4mo ago
        Well, its changing. Palantir is signing DOD contracts. Sorry, DOW. Kegsbreath probably would think it would be fucking sick brah to have our nuclear arsenal controlled by a for profit ai model. Trump would approve after thiel gives him a solid gold bust of his face. Morons run this country now. Is any of this hypothetical future really so surprising?
        Loughla 4mo ago
        That's not really an answer to my question though.
forgetfreeman 4mo ago
I love comments like this, mostly for the unbridled optimism and historical ignorance they embody. If you truly believe that a loose collection of small arms is the kryptonite that the command and control apparatus of the US is vulnerable to I recommend familiarizing yourself with what happened at Waco and Ruby Ridge. Both cases vividly display what a few Suburbans full of motivated feds can do to an entire compound of well-armed civilians over the course of a long weekend.
CamperBob2 4mo ago
Guns will be of little use against drone swarms, or against individual drones thousands of feet in the sky. Only drones will be able to battle drones, in the general case.

OKRainbowKid 4mo ago

I sincerely hope your optimism doesn't turn out to have been naivety.

asdff 4mo ago

The US has some 5000 nuclear warheads, of the stock we know about at least... Hope you don't live anywhere near a city in the top 500 list I suppose.

notahacker 4mo ago
I'm the last person to accuse the US of being sanely-governed, but you'll forgive me for not worrying any more about a conspiracy of billionaires with access to US nuclear arsenal all agreeing that the best way to ensure they live long and healthy lives unencumbered by vengeful proles/superpowers is to nuke the top 500 cities than I do about Roko's Basilisk or the end of the world as predicted by the Aztecs...
- asdff 4mo ago
  I'm not worried about the billionaires, I'm worried about the models they are empowering.
  - notahacker 4mo ago
    I'm even less worried about AI models obtaining corporeal form to stride into the US nuclear bunkers to launch missiles against their own power infrastructure and datacenters...
    - asdff 4mo ago
      If you think that is what is required, you aren't keeping up.
      - Loughla 4mo ago
        Okay then. What does the infrastructure around launching a nuclear weapon look like?
        asdff 4mo ago
        Well, its changing. Palantir is signing DOD contracts. Sorry, DOW. Kegsbreath probably would think it would be fucking sick brah to have our nuclear arsenal controlled by a for profit ai model. Trump would approve after thiel gives him a solid gold bust of his face. Morons run this country now. Is any of this hypothetical future really so surprising?
        Loughla 4mo ago
        That's not really an answer to my question though.

forgetfreeman 4mo ago

I love comments like this, mostly for the unbridled optimism and historical ignorance they embody. If you truly believe that a loose collection of small arms is the kryptonite that the command and control apparatus of the US is vulnerable to I recommend familiarizing yourself with what happened at Waco and Ruby Ridge. Both cases vividly display what a few Suburbans full of motivated feds can do to an entire compound of well-armed civilians over the course of a long weekend.

CamperBob2 4mo ago

Guns will be of little use against drone swarms, or against individual drones thousands of feet in the sky. Only drones will be able to battle drones, in the general case.