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No they won't, not if they have just enough bread and circuses and someone below them to hate. Boil the frog slowly enough and it'll work out just fine for the

No they won't, not if they have just enough bread and circuses and someone below them to hate. Boil the frog slowly enough and it'll work out just fine for the capital class.

c-smile 5mo ago
Yep. Evolutionary way to get to communism where "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" [1] [1] "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_ability,_to_each_according_to_his_needs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_abi...", circa 1875
- ako 5mo ago
  I don't see how you can relate this to communism. Sounds more like oligarchy/roman empire: a few own almost everything, but most have almost nothing and are being controlled with bread and games. Marxism is the opposite where everything is owned by everyone (in theory).
  - c-smile 5mo ago
    What would be the name of the society where, say, 30,000 people + technology produce enough food and goods to satisfy the needs of the rest of Earth population? So those people will get whatever they need for life but will not be technically obligated to produce anything. We will first switch to 4 day working week, then 3 and so on, right? We will see Universal Basic Income "experiments" [1] more often until they become a norm. At least we are on the way to all this... [1] https://weall.org/resource/finland-universal-basic-income-pilot#:~:text=Finland%E2%80%99s%20two-year%20scheme%2C%20which%20ran%20in%202017%20and,reduction%20in%20their%20payment%20if%20they%20accepted%20one. https://weall.org/resource/finland-universal-basic-income-pi...
    - fwip 5mo ago
      For a fictional example, you can look at the United Federation of Planets, from Star Trek.
    - ako 5mo ago
      Some suggestions for naming this, depending on how you organize ownership, redistribution, who gets to decide what you need: paternalism, welfare capitalism, neo-feudalism, technofeudalism, welfare state, social democracy, UBI-and-oligarchy, oligarchy, plutocracy. We are already in a position where we could house and feed everyone, but we choose not to do so. Instead a few own almost everything, money gets spend on killing people, instead of feeding them. If we choose not to do it now, i don't see how we can make UBI work in the future.
- idiotsecant 5mo ago
  Imagine literally being afraid of communism in 2025. I don't know if you noticed but there haven't been any communists in quite a while.
bonoboTP 5mo ago
Bread, circus, strife, anger, hopelessness, antinatalist cultural products and it doesn't need anything aggressive or spectacular. People will just cease to reproduce seemingly of their own will. South Korea to the nth power.

No they won't, not if they have just enough bread and circuses and someone below them to hate. Boil the frog slowly enough and it'll work out just fine for the capital class.

c-smile 5mo ago

Yep. Evolutionary way to get to communism where "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" [1] [1] "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_ability,_to_each_according_to_his_needs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_abi...", circa 1875

ako 5mo ago
I don't see how you can relate this to communism. Sounds more like oligarchy/roman empire: a few own almost everything, but most have almost nothing and are being controlled with bread and games. Marxism is the opposite where everything is owned by everyone (in theory).
- c-smile 5mo ago
  What would be the name of the society where, say, 30,000 people + technology produce enough food and goods to satisfy the needs of the rest of Earth population? So those people will get whatever they need for life but will not be technically obligated to produce anything. We will first switch to 4 day working week, then 3 and so on, right? We will see Universal Basic Income "experiments" [1] more often until they become a norm. At least we are on the way to all this... [1] https://weall.org/resource/finland-universal-basic-income-pilot#:~:text=Finland%E2%80%99s%20two-year%20scheme%2C%20which%20ran%20in%202017%20and,reduction%20in%20their%20payment%20if%20they%20accepted%20one. https://weall.org/resource/finland-universal-basic-income-pi...
  - fwip 5mo ago
    For a fictional example, you can look at the United Federation of Planets, from Star Trek.
  - ako 5mo ago
    Some suggestions for naming this, depending on how you organize ownership, redistribution, who gets to decide what you need: paternalism, welfare capitalism, neo-feudalism, technofeudalism, welfare state, social democracy, UBI-and-oligarchy, oligarchy, plutocracy. We are already in a position where we could house and feed everyone, but we choose not to do so. Instead a few own almost everything, money gets spend on killing people, instead of feeding them. If we choose not to do it now, i don't see how we can make UBI work in the future.
idiotsecant 5mo ago
Imagine literally being afraid of communism in 2025. I don't know if you noticed but there haven't been any communists in quite a while.

bonoboTP 5mo ago

Bread, circus, strife, anger, hopelessness, antinatalist cultural products and it doesn't need anything aggressive or spectacular. People will just cease to reproduce seemingly of their own will. South Korea to the nth power.