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It's actually not bad. The rhetoric has had an effect over the years. https://www.ifixit.com/News/116152/macbook-neo-is-the-most-repairable-macbook-in-14-years

It's actually not bad. The rhetoric has had an effect over the years. https://www.ifixit.com/News/116152/macbook-neo-is-the-most-repairable-macbook-in-14-years https://www.ifixit.com/News/116152/macbook-neo-is-the-most-r...

Certhas 5mo ago
EU regulations have had an effect.
AshamedCaptain 5mo ago
It's actually not bad? "The most repairable MacBook in years" means practically nothing. And for someone who might be comparing with a Framework, it's probably an insult.
- akkartik 5mo ago
  You're preaching to the choir, brother. But reread the comment I replied to. "Use as-is until e-waste" the Neo is not.
  - bel8 5mo ago
    > "Use as-is until e-waste" the Neo is not That's a very low bar to clear
    - akkartik 5mo ago
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      - bel8 5mo ago
        > You are to be congratulated on the sheer looming height of your standards. The angels cry out to you from the heavens. Sheesh. - akkartik Snarky ad-hominem comments are forbidden in HN, FYI. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        akkartik 5mo ago
        Edit: thanks for toning it down. I will as well. From the comment up above: > I would imagine the Mac Neo is a sealed unit that you use as-is until it's e-waste. So the "bar" is irrelevant to this conversation.
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    - margalabargala 5mo ago
      Yes, which makes the comment claiming the neo doesn't clear it all the more egregious.
      - AshamedCaptain 5mo ago
        I have been rocking _smaller_ tablet PCs with better reparability score than the Neo in iFixit since practically the 2010s. My current one is a 10/10 from HP. This to say nothing about upgradability. The Neo doesn't clear the bar. It just barely improves over recent macbooks, which is next to nothing. Specially to someone comparing to the Framework!
- NoNoisle 5mo ago
  What would mean something to you captain?
makeitdouble 5mo ago
It's still a 6 on the scale, and parts pairing, third party restrictions are still in place. For reference, the latest Thinkpad T series is 10/10, so a better build is clearly possible. It is actually bad. Not as bad as previous models, but still bad.
- blazarquasar 5mo ago
  That may be true, but a MacBook is still better value for your money than any of the new Thinkpads, performance and build-quality wise.
  - makeitdouble 5mo ago
    What's your universal "value for money" index that should apply to everyone ? For instance why should a touch support or better port selection be less valuable to me than let's say battery life ? Does supporting multiple OSes have a defined value to money ratio that I'm not aware of ?
    - blazarquasar 5mo ago
      Well, thats why I specifically mentioned “performance and build-quality wise”. If you want to run Linux, then it’s obviously not a viable option.
      - makeitdouble 5mo ago
        It's still the same kind of argument. What you mean by "build quality" is probably mainly the unibody frame ? Why not include repairability as litteral build quality ? and what about weight or shock absorption? Same way "performance" can't be a fixed set of measures for everyone. I care about GPU speed in VR games and macs doen't give me much of it. My point is we can't throw around "X is better performance wise" with no context, it makes no sense on its own.
  - pjmlp 5mo ago
    Not for European prices, using Thinkpads since 2006, and yes I do have access to Apple hardware at work.
throwaway2037 5mo ago
I watched some of their (iFixIt) recent videos about Framework laptops, Mac Neo, and Lenovo laptops. What I love about them: They are not haters. They just want companies to get meaningfully and incrementally better at repair. 10/10 rating does not mean perfection -- it means "great" (very repairable). In a modern world of so much unnecessary manufactured drama on social media (including YouTube), it is nice to see a high quality company batting away the opportunity for unnecessary manufactured! The most recent Lenovo laptops have a bunch of minor complaints -- still they got 10/10.
culi 4mo ago
Sure, but a 6/10 for "the most repairable macbook in 14 years" is still a 6/10. Lenovo ThinkPads range from 8-10 and even the Microsoft Surface 7 got an 8

Certhas 5mo ago

EU regulations have had an effect.

AshamedCaptain 5mo ago

It's actually not bad? "The most repairable MacBook in years" means practically nothing. And for someone who might be comparing with a Framework, it's probably an insult.

akkartik 5mo ago
You're preaching to the choir, brother. But reread the comment I replied to. "Use as-is until e-waste" the Neo is not.
- bel8 5mo ago
  > "Use as-is until e-waste" the Neo is not That's a very low bar to clear
  - akkartik 5mo ago
    [flagged]
    - bel8 5mo ago
      > You are to be congratulated on the sheer looming height of your standards. The angels cry out to you from the heavens. Sheesh. - akkartik Snarky ad-hominem comments are forbidden in HN, FYI. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - akkartik 5mo ago
        Edit: thanks for toning it down. I will as well. From the comment up above: > I would imagine the Mac Neo is a sealed unit that you use as-is until it's e-waste. So the "bar" is irrelevant to this conversation.
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  - margalabargala 5mo ago
    Yes, which makes the comment claiming the neo doesn't clear it all the more egregious.
    - AshamedCaptain 5mo ago
      I have been rocking _smaller_ tablet PCs with better reparability score than the Neo in iFixit since practically the 2010s. My current one is a 10/10 from HP. This to say nothing about upgradability. The Neo doesn't clear the bar. It just barely improves over recent macbooks, which is next to nothing. Specially to someone comparing to the Framework!
NoNoisle 5mo ago
What would mean something to you captain?

makeitdouble 5mo ago

It's still a 6 on the scale, and parts pairing, third party restrictions are still in place. For reference, the latest Thinkpad T series is 10/10, so a better build is clearly possible. It is actually bad. Not as bad as previous models, but still bad.

blazarquasar 5mo ago
That may be true, but a MacBook is still better value for your money than any of the new Thinkpads, performance and build-quality wise.
- makeitdouble 5mo ago
  What's your universal "value for money" index that should apply to everyone ? For instance why should a touch support or better port selection be less valuable to me than let's say battery life ? Does supporting multiple OSes have a defined value to money ratio that I'm not aware of ?
  - blazarquasar 5mo ago
    Well, thats why I specifically mentioned “performance and build-quality wise”. If you want to run Linux, then it’s obviously not a viable option.
    - makeitdouble 5mo ago
      It's still the same kind of argument. What you mean by "build quality" is probably mainly the unibody frame ? Why not include repairability as litteral build quality ? and what about weight or shock absorption? Same way "performance" can't be a fixed set of measures for everyone. I care about GPU speed in VR games and macs doen't give me much of it. My point is we can't throw around "X is better performance wise" with no context, it makes no sense on its own.
- pjmlp 5mo ago
  Not for European prices, using Thinkpads since 2006, and yes I do have access to Apple hardware at work.

throwaway2037 5mo ago

I watched some of their (iFixIt) recent videos about Framework laptops, Mac Neo, and Lenovo laptops. What I love about them: They are not haters. They just want companies to get meaningfully and incrementally better at repair. 10/10 rating does not mean perfection -- it means "great" (very repairable). In a modern world of so much unnecessary manufactured drama on social media (including YouTube), it is nice to see a high quality company batting away the opportunity for unnecessary manufactured! The most recent Lenovo laptops have a bunch of minor complaints -- still they got 10/10.

culi 4mo ago

Sure, but a 6/10 for "the most repairable macbook in 14 years" is still a 6/10. Lenovo ThinkPads range from 8-10 and even the Microsoft Surface 7 got an 8