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If you just like talking and some program comes out (aka "business problem solving") you might like it. If you like coding (aka "problem solving"), it feels li

by coldtea 5mo ago

If you just like talking and some program comes out (aka "business problem solving") you might like it. If you like coding (aka "problem solving"), it feels like crap. And if you like still having an IT job in a couple of years, it feels like dangerous crap. (Of course you can be hoping you'll be the one selected, out of millions laid off, to get to keep working on a higher level).

hellohello2 5mo ago
Perhaps its the apprehension/anxiety that makes it feel bad then? I like coding (building things) and couldn't care less about businesses, and am having a great time. In the current state of AI, mass layoffs probably won't happen. But I guess its a bit scary that we don't know how much more it will improve...
- jon-wood 5mo ago
  > the current state of AI, mass layoffs probably won't happen. I’m sorry, what? Have you been paying any attention at all to the state of the industry lately?
  - hellohello2 5mo ago
    I wasn't clear enough, I was replying to "you'll be the one selected, out of millions laid off," in context I meant "mass layoff" as in "95% of everyone is out of a job permanently".
- coldtea 5mo ago
  >Perhaps its the apprehension/anxiety that makes it feel bad then? It's a big part. But the erosion of what coding means is another big part for some. >I like coding (building things) and couldn't care less about businesses There are people who like coding, but they mean "building things" by it, and other who like coding and mean "coding" itself. The latter we aren't as pleased. (I also like building things, but I like building them via coding, not thru vibing and getting them spit out).
alchemism 5mo ago
I’d probably let go of the employees who decline using agentic tools first, tbh. All things being equal.
- claytongulick 5mo ago
  And that's the problem. The companies that agree with you will be at an interesting place when they have piles of AI slop code and no talented developers.
  - alchemism 5mo ago
    I can’t say Claude Code is not a great product with solid market fit even though the code inside it is aesthetically garbage.
tonyedgecombe 5mo ago
It will be somewhat ironic if the people losing out in this transition are the ones screaming about it’s benefits.

by coldtea 5mo ago

hellohello2 5mo ago

Perhaps its the apprehension/anxiety that makes it feel bad then? I like coding (building things) and couldn't care less about businesses, and am having a great time. In the current state of AI, mass layoffs probably won't happen. But I guess its a bit scary that we don't know how much more it will improve...

jon-wood 5mo ago
> the current state of AI, mass layoffs probably won't happen. I’m sorry, what? Have you been paying any attention at all to the state of the industry lately?
- hellohello2 5mo ago
  I wasn't clear enough, I was replying to "you'll be the one selected, out of millions laid off," in context I meant "mass layoff" as in "95% of everyone is out of a job permanently".
coldtea 5mo ago
>Perhaps its the apprehension/anxiety that makes it feel bad then? It's a big part. But the erosion of what coding means is another big part for some. >I like coding (building things) and couldn't care less about businesses There are people who like coding, but they mean "building things" by it, and other who like coding and mean "coding" itself. The latter we aren't as pleased. (I also like building things, but I like building them via coding, not thru vibing and getting them spit out).

alchemism 5mo ago

I’d probably let go of the employees who decline using agentic tools first, tbh. All things being equal.

claytongulick 5mo ago
And that's the problem. The companies that agree with you will be at an interesting place when they have piles of AI slop code and no talented developers.
- alchemism 5mo ago
  I can’t say Claude Code is not a great product with solid market fit even though the code inside it is aesthetically garbage.

tonyedgecombe 5mo ago

It will be somewhat ironic if the people losing out in this transition are the ones screaming about it’s benefits.