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I didn't realize how strict they were against LLMs. Codex has really helped my fix and tighten up my AUR PKGBUILDs. I was thinking about trying Gentoo in the

by aeonik 4mo ago

I didn't realize how strict they were against LLMs. Codex has really helped my fix and tighten up my AUR PKGBUILDs. I was thinking about trying Gentoo in the future, but not being able to contribute because I use LLMs in my workflow sucks.

nubinetwork 4mo ago
You can always run your own portage overlay. I do it for some random packages that aren't in the main tree.
- aeonik 4mo ago
  Is there a third party like the AUR? If not we should make one. We should call it Sloppage so the Gentoo devs know what it's about. X-D
  - nubinetwork 4mo ago
    There is one called guru, but its probably subject to the same restrictions since its a semi official overlay.
hparadiz 4mo ago
I know for a fact that some stuff merged into Gentoo is already LLM modified in upstream so their stance is dumb and not even logically consistent.
- collinfunk 4mo ago
  Well, they have held back some slop in CPAN (a surprising place to find slop) [1]. Some of said slop recently caused GNU coreutils test suite to fail [2]. Surely the bot will get it right one day, right? [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/971488 https://bugs.gentoo.org/971488 [2] https://github.com/cpan-authors/IO-Tty/issues/91 https://github.com/cpan-authors/IO-Tty/issues/91
  - hparadiz 4mo ago
    Python being a dependency of portage is gentoo's original sin. They have no business calling anything slop with how portage is coded. Truly the epitome of throwing bricks from a glass house.
- jayofdoom 4mo ago
  It's pretty consistent. If you check out something from a Gentoo-official repo, it's going to have been created by humans without the use of LLM tooling. LLM tooling is used for the kernel, systemd, and a litany of other packages -- trying to run a "non-LLM OS" is more like a fork of the whole ecosystem than a distribution. I can appreciate the concept that Gentoo is placing a high value on human curation. I used to be firmly against our anti-LLM policy, but honestly it's a pretty strong differentiator from other distributions -- and I'm getting more and more sick of AI tech in general. (note: I am a Gentoo developer)
  - hparadiz 4mo ago
    Been using Gentoo for over 20 years and have accepted PRs to the repo. I don't get any value from this "no LLMs" stance. In fact it's quite the opposite. I watch extremely famous C devs at work using LLMs all day everyday working on stuff that is merged into Gentoo all the time. You guys are shooting yourselves in the foot and just wasting everyone's time and it's exhausting.
userbinator 4mo ago
If you're so good at it that they can't tell, does it matter?
- yjftsjthsd-h 4mo ago
  Some people have a view of ethics/integrity that constrains them to following rules even if they can't get caught and consider the rules in question to be ill advised.

by aeonik 4mo ago

nubinetwork 4mo ago

You can always run your own portage overlay. I do it for some random packages that aren't in the main tree.

aeonik 4mo ago
Is there a third party like the AUR? If not we should make one. We should call it Sloppage so the Gentoo devs know what it's about. X-D
- nubinetwork 4mo ago
  There is one called guru, but its probably subject to the same restrictions since its a semi official overlay.

hparadiz 4mo ago

I know for a fact that some stuff merged into Gentoo is already LLM modified in upstream so their stance is dumb and not even logically consistent.

collinfunk 4mo ago
Well, they have held back some slop in CPAN (a surprising place to find slop) [1]. Some of said slop recently caused GNU coreutils test suite to fail [2]. Surely the bot will get it right one day, right? [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/971488 https://bugs.gentoo.org/971488 [2] https://github.com/cpan-authors/IO-Tty/issues/91 https://github.com/cpan-authors/IO-Tty/issues/91
- hparadiz 4mo ago
  Python being a dependency of portage is gentoo's original sin. They have no business calling anything slop with how portage is coded. Truly the epitome of throwing bricks from a glass house.
jayofdoom 4mo ago
It's pretty consistent. If you check out something from a Gentoo-official repo, it's going to have been created by humans without the use of LLM tooling. LLM tooling is used for the kernel, systemd, and a litany of other packages -- trying to run a "non-LLM OS" is more like a fork of the whole ecosystem than a distribution. I can appreciate the concept that Gentoo is placing a high value on human curation. I used to be firmly against our anti-LLM policy, but honestly it's a pretty strong differentiator from other distributions -- and I'm getting more and more sick of AI tech in general. (note: I am a Gentoo developer)
- hparadiz 4mo ago
  Been using Gentoo for over 20 years and have accepted PRs to the repo. I don't get any value from this "no LLMs" stance. In fact it's quite the opposite. I watch extremely famous C devs at work using LLMs all day everyday working on stuff that is merged into Gentoo all the time. You guys are shooting yourselves in the foot and just wasting everyone's time and it's exhausting.

userbinator 4mo ago

If you're so good at it that they can't tell, does it matter?

yjftsjthsd-h 4mo ago
Some people have a view of ethics/integrity that constrains them to following rules even if they can't get caught and consider the rules in question to be ill advised.