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isn't Google going to win the race anyway ?

by dotcoma 4mo ago

conradkay 4mo ago
That feels really hard to argue now that Anthropic/OpenAI are so much bigger How the hell do you crush a ~1T company on the one thing they have all their focus on?
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- dotcoma 4mo ago
  You start with a 90% share in search, I guess. Me, not a SWE, I have never even tried Claude (and I am not sure I prefer ChatGPT over Google)
- SXX 4mo ago
  Data. Google has access to unphasmable amount of real human-created data with zero expectations of privacy (wink wink Apple): videos, photos, search, navigation, mobile app usage including competition platforms, emails, etc. Both Anthropic and OpenAI only has access to whatever they can buy or steal. And it's becoming increasingly hard to get fresh uncontaminated data for training. No amount of money can buy that.
  - conradkay 4mo ago
    I suspect it's less true now that synthetic data has worked so well, and multimodal doesn't seem to transfer as well as many would've hoped Claude Code and Codex are a big advantage, vs Gemini CLI which might be killedbygoogle soon? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48196867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48196867 > Both Anthropic and OpenAI only has access to whatever they can buy or steal. A trillion can buy you quite a lot! Like offer some company a ton of money for data, and if they say no simply buy said company. Bonus points if it's someone like Atlassian who's stock price is getting hammered largely because of you.
throwaway85825 4mo ago
In terms of personal assistant AI the monopolists have a massive advantage because they control the platforms and can box out competitors from deeply integrating with the OS.
- dotcoma 4mo ago
  I don't see it as merely boxing out competitors or integrating with the OS. People have been going to Google for a quarter of a century, and I imagine they will continue to do so. As far as I am concerned, I moved to DDG in 2013 and never looked back, but I find Google AI intriguing.

isn't Google going to win the race anyway ?

by dotcoma 4mo ago

isn't Google going to win the race anyway ?

That feels really hard to argue now that Anthropic/OpenAI are so much bigger How the hell do you crush a ~1T company on the one thing they have all their focus on?

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dotcoma 4mo ago
You start with a 90% share in search, I guess. Me, not a SWE, I have never even tried Claude (and I am not sure I prefer ChatGPT over Google)
SXX 4mo ago
Data. Google has access to unphasmable amount of real human-created data with zero expectations of privacy (wink wink Apple): videos, photos, search, navigation, mobile app usage including competition platforms, emails, etc. Both Anthropic and OpenAI only has access to whatever they can buy or steal. And it's becoming increasingly hard to get fresh uncontaminated data for training. No amount of money can buy that.
- conradkay 4mo ago
  I suspect it's less true now that synthetic data has worked so well, and multimodal doesn't seem to transfer as well as many would've hoped Claude Code and Codex are a big advantage, vs Gemini CLI which might be killedbygoogle soon? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48196867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48196867 > Both Anthropic and OpenAI only has access to whatever they can buy or steal. A trillion can buy you quite a lot! Like offer some company a ton of money for data, and if they say no simply buy said company. Bonus points if it's someone like Atlassian who's stock price is getting hammered largely because of you.

throwaway85825 4mo ago

In terms of personal assistant AI the monopolists have a massive advantage because they control the platforms and can box out competitors from deeply integrating with the OS.

dotcoma 4mo ago
I don't see it as merely boxing out competitors or integrating with the OS. People have been going to Google for a quarter of a century, and I imagine they will continue to do so. As far as I am concerned, I moved to DDG in 2013 and never looked back, but I find Google AI intriguing.