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Surely it’s possible that a family might value education but not have the literal time, if they are working non stop, to take the kids to a further school? Or t
by borski 5mo ago
Surely it’s possible that a family might value education but not have the literal time, if they are working non stop, to take the kids to a further school? Or to take care of them afterward?
You’re avoiding the point by saying “anyone who cares can,” and avoiding the economics entirely.
Economics can force choices against your own best interests. If you have an hour between shifts and the school is 45 minutes away, you may have no choice.
This is separate from groups of people who don’t value education. This is about where others make that choice for them.
- rayiner 5mo agoMost people aren’t “working non stop.” Out of non-disabled SNAP recipients with children, only 10% work full time, and only 33% work more than 20 hours a week: https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/resource-files/ops-snap-fy22-characteristics.pdf#page=97 https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/resource-f... (table a.26)
- borski 5mo agoMost of the people I know who work two or more jobs also do not get SNAP. Sometimes, it’s pride, and sometimes, it’s logistics. My sister is on SNAP; it took hours, literally, for me to sign her up, and I’m quite “technically savvy” lol And every year the renewal takes at least two hours in NYC.
- jnovek 5mo agoThere is so much context here that you’re missing — have you ever been poor before?
- rayiner 5mo agoEveryone in my wife’s family grew up poor and many still are. My wife lived in a converted barn for part of her childhood. Regardless, the data is the data! Only 10% of parents on SNAP work full time.
- borski 5mo agoData without context is not useful. Data (alone) = Noise Data + Context = Information Experimentation + Error = Experience Information + Experience = Knowledge Knowledge + Humility = Wisdom
- rayiner 5mo agoWhat do you call the injection of ideological excuses into data?
- borski 5mo agoNot sure, since that's not what we were discussing.
- jnovek 5mo agoYou mean like bending SNAP data to somehow fit your picture of what poor people are like?
- jjulius 5mo agoOr making wild generalizations about how men in Oregon only work in farming and fishing when those industries actually only comprise less than 10% or the workforce. I don't think folk should bother debating with this user, I don't think they're conversing in good faith.
- selimthegrim 4mo agoIt seems like the entirety of his experience of Oregon is within a 10 mile radius of Coos Bay.
- jnovek 5mo agoYou, personally, haven’t been poor, though, so you you don’t know what it’s like to have to balance all the things a poor person does as an adult. Your confidence that you can speak on this topic because your wife was poor as a child comes from a perspective of massive privilege. If you had been poor as an adult, you’d know that it’s very difficult to stay on SNAP if you have any income. It incentivizes not working if you want to feed your family. You mention people who aren’t on disability — well, it’s very hard to get on disability. Go find a social worker and ask. They’ll tell you stories about people living on the streets with diagnosed schizophrenia having to stand in front of a judge for an appeal because SSDI was rejected twice. What percentage of people who are on SNAP actually disabled and unable to work, I wonder? It’s far high than the number of people who actually receive SSDI. This is why I ask if you’ve been poor — the devil is in the details on these programs and you are confidently misinterpreting those details.