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How is it surprising to people that zip and XML are in stdlibs for a programming language? Btw, you should have looked at dotnet for this as well. There is a v

How is it surprising to people that zip and XML are in stdlibs for a programming language? Btw, you should have looked at dotnet for this as well. There is a very good library ( DocumentFormat.OpenXml) that can handle all docx/xlsx/pptx files. And dotnet can ship standalone binaries (though AOT probably won't work).

pier25 4mo ago
Many runtimes/languages rely on third party deps for that. Also plenty of devs think the stdlib should be as lean as possible. Personally, I think there should be a balance. The direct consequence of a barebones stdlib is NPM and having to download hundreds of dependencies for a hello world.
- wky 4mo ago
  Golang has the golang.org/x packages, which avoids too much stdlib bloat while still providing the niceties of “pre-vetted” packages that don’t pull in a massive dependency tree.
  - pier25 4mo ago
    yeah I wish Node had something like that
    - slopinthebag 4mo ago
      It does! (well Deno does but you can use them in Node) https://jsr.io/@std https://jsr.io/@std
      - pier25 4mo ago
        support is not uniform though eg: https://jsr.io/@std/dotenv https://jsr.io/@std/dotenv
  - tanin 4mo ago
    Yeah, I try to avoid 3rd party libraries unless it comes from credible sources/companies or vetted by famous frameworks e.g. Rails uses it. Not just for NPM but for Intellij plugin, VSCode extension, and etc. If Node has officially pre-vetted libraries, that would be really awesome.
CharlieDigital 4mo ago
https://github.com/dotnet/Open-XML-SDK https://github.com/dotnet/Open-XML-SDK First party from Microsoft; feels like it would be the way to go.
- deleted 4mo ago
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- xnorswap 4mo ago
  That is the source of DocumentFormat.OpenXml, you're talking about the same package, https://github.com/dotnet/Open-XML-SDK#packages https://github.com/dotnet/Open-XML-SDK#packages Microsoft are incapable of: 1. naming things well 2. keeping those names stable
rjrjrjrj 4mo ago
Difficult to square the author's surprise with the later comment "I have my fair share of building a Java desktop application and know jpackage and alike very well" You can't get very far in Java development without working with .jar files (which are zip archives).

pier25 4mo ago

Many runtimes/languages rely on third party deps for that. Also plenty of devs think the stdlib should be as lean as possible. Personally, I think there should be a balance. The direct consequence of a barebones stdlib is NPM and having to download hundreds of dependencies for a hello world.

wky 4mo ago
Golang has the golang.org/x packages, which avoids too much stdlib bloat while still providing the niceties of “pre-vetted” packages that don’t pull in a massive dependency tree.
- pier25 4mo ago
  yeah I wish Node had something like that
  - slopinthebag 4mo ago
    It does! (well Deno does but you can use them in Node) https://jsr.io/@std https://jsr.io/@std
    - pier25 4mo ago
      support is not uniform though eg: https://jsr.io/@std/dotenv https://jsr.io/@std/dotenv
- tanin 4mo ago
  Yeah, I try to avoid 3rd party libraries unless it comes from credible sources/companies or vetted by famous frameworks e.g. Rails uses it. Not just for NPM but for Intellij plugin, VSCode extension, and etc. If Node has officially pre-vetted libraries, that would be really awesome.

CharlieDigital 4mo ago

https://github.com/dotnet/Open-XML-SDK https://github.com/dotnet/Open-XML-SDK First party from Microsoft; feels like it would be the way to go.

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xnorswap 4mo ago
That is the source of DocumentFormat.OpenXml, you're talking about the same package, https://github.com/dotnet/Open-XML-SDK#packages https://github.com/dotnet/Open-XML-SDK#packages Microsoft are incapable of: 1. naming things well 2. keeping those names stable

rjrjrjrj 4mo ago

Difficult to square the author's surprise with the later comment "I have my fair share of building a Java desktop application and know jpackage and alike very well" You can't get very far in Java development without working with .jar files (which are zip archives).