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This is all a consequence from running software that doesn't respect you and notification are just one of many symptoms. I'd rather choose better software than

This is all a consequence from running software that doesn't respect you and notification are just one of many symptoms. I'd rather choose better software than let Google/Apple decide what software running on my device is allowed to do.

subscribed 5mo ago
Usually you don't have any choice of the software if you need to use a particular product or service.
- autoexec 5mo ago
  You can usually choose to "need" to use a particular product or service though. It's not always worth it, but there's a choice.
- miki123211 5mo ago
  Yeah, the worst kind of software is the kind that interacts with the real world, particularly when chosen by clueless people at non-tech, real-world companies. Conferences are great examples. You do want to submit your paper and go to a conference. To do that, they need your email address(understandable). That email ends up on dozens of email lists run by people who are doing "outreach" or something of the sort.
spwa4 5mo ago
You mean it's a consequence of very large amounts of people refusing to pay for software, at essentially any other cost ... Of course you could describe almost all of the internet that way.
- account42 5mo ago
  I don't pay for most of my software and yet it still respects me. Of course it also isn't made by large corporations with marketing and sales departments.
  - spwa4 5mo ago
    The vast majority of spammers aren't large corporations but really small ones. Scammy ones. At least judging by my spam folder.
- AnthonyMouse 5mo ago
  It's a consequence of having platforms instead of protocols. Suppose you want delivery notifications for your packages. The seller, by contrast, wants to spam you with marketing. If getting the notifications requires you to install their app, they're going to shovel any spam into it that they can, and then they're writing the code that runs on your device. Whereas if the software on your device is controlled by you and the notifications are received using a standard protocol, you (or someone like uBlock) can create filters to only show the notifications you actually want and discard the spam. But for that to actually work you need the software running on the client to be under the control of the user independent of which device or service they're using, and subject to competitive pressure. Otherwise the platform uses is as a means for lock-in and then filters your notifications in the ways that benefit them rather than you, or just does a lazy job because they know you've been deprived of having a lot of other alternatives.
  - spwa4 5mo ago
    > But for that to actually work you need the software running on the client to be under the control of the user independent of which device or service ... In other words, you need the user of the software to pay for it's development. Since that won't happen ...
    - account42 5mo ago
      That isn't the only way.
  - miki123211 5mo ago
    Unless the task is extremely well defined, protocols don't really work. Imagine you're a shipping company and lock yourself into a parcel tracking protocol. You then decide to offer the innovative feature of parcel lockers, which need a code (or an action on your device) to open. How are you going to make the thousands of weird homebrew clients that people are using on their jailbroken Nintendo Switches or whatever to behave?
    - AnthonyMouse 5mo ago

subscribed 5mo ago

Usually you don't have any choice of the software if you need to use a particular product or service.

autoexec 5mo ago
You can usually choose to "need" to use a particular product or service though. It's not always worth it, but there's a choice.
miki123211 5mo ago
Yeah, the worst kind of software is the kind that interacts with the real world, particularly when chosen by clueless people at non-tech, real-world companies. Conferences are great examples. You do want to submit your paper and go to a conference. To do that, they need your email address(understandable). That email ends up on dozens of email lists run by people who are doing "outreach" or something of the sort.

spwa4 5mo ago

You mean it's a consequence of very large amounts of people refusing to pay for software, at essentially any other cost ... Of course you could describe almost all of the internet that way.

account42 5mo ago
I don't pay for most of my software and yet it still respects me. Of course it also isn't made by large corporations with marketing and sales departments.
- spwa4 5mo ago
  The vast majority of spammers aren't large corporations but really small ones. Scammy ones. At least judging by my spam folder.
AnthonyMouse 5mo ago
It's a consequence of having platforms instead of protocols. Suppose you want delivery notifications for your packages. The seller, by contrast, wants to spam you with marketing. If getting the notifications requires you to install their app, they're going to shovel any spam into it that they can, and then they're writing the code that runs on your device. Whereas if the software on your device is controlled by you and the notifications are received using a standard protocol, you (or someone like uBlock) can create filters to only show the notifications you actually want and discard the spam. But for that to actually work you need the software running on the client to be under the control of the user independent of which device or service they're using, and subject to competitive pressure. Otherwise the platform uses is as a means for lock-in and then filters your notifications in the ways that benefit them rather than you, or just does a lazy job because they know you've been deprived of having a lot of other alternatives.
- spwa4 5mo ago
  > But for that to actually work you need the software running on the client to be under the control of the user independent of which device or service ... In other words, you need the user of the software to pay for it's development. Since that won't happen ...
  - account42 5mo ago
    That isn't the only way.
- miki123211 5mo ago
  Unless the task is extremely well defined, protocols don't really work. Imagine you're a shipping company and lock yourself into a parcel tracking protocol. You then decide to offer the innovative feature of parcel lockers, which need a code (or an action on your device) to open. How are you going to make the thousands of weird homebrew clients that people are using on their jailbroken Nintendo Switches or whatever to behave?
  - AnthonyMouse 5mo ago