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I mostly text on Signal with disappearing messages so I wouldn't be able to do this. Most people are fine with disappearing messages at 4 weeks, but a few peopl
by Cider9986 5mo ago
I mostly text on Signal with disappearing messages so I wouldn't be able to do this. Most people are fine with disappearing messages at 4 weeks, but a few people like to keep their chats forever.
- valzevul 5mo agoDo you keep separate notes for things like recommendations or addresses? I often dig through my chats to find them.
- Cider9986 5mo agoYeah I use NotesNook for big notes or projects. I also use the Note to Self which is built into Signal and appears just like any other conversation. I use that for temporary stuff like addresses and keep it clean.
- saligne 5mo agothere's a tool for extracting chat history from signal desktop, you could build a plaintext and attachment archive with that if it runs regularly on your pc and appends new chats from the last run.
- dwedge 5mo agoI'd be pretty angry if I found out someone I chatted to on Signal was running a service to workaround my message expiry choice and archive my messages. And breaking that trust just to run it through an LLM?
- nanocat 5mo agofucken yep. don’t do this.
- Squeeeez 5mo agoThey might not be doing it on purpose, remember that microsoft windows "take a screenshot every few seconds and send it to an llm" thing?
- captn3m0 5mo agoSignal pushed a fix for that: https://signal.org/blog/signal-doesnt-recall/ https://signal.org/blog/signal-doesnt-recall/
- rablackburn 5mo agoEverything old is new again. This is basically the debate over IRC Bouncers all over again.
- saligne 5mo agoBe angry then, IM communication is not a contract with terms unilaterly decided by one party. Or put a confidential signature with every message, see how well that works for you
- dwedge 5mo agoBe a better person. Or at least put a message in your status that you record everything and send it to Google for analysis for minimum personal gain. Do you also carry a second phone to take a photo just in case someone sends you a disappearing photo?
- saligne 5mo agogoogle? signal desktop is not on android, is it? no, its on a pc, as could be a local llm. did i even say i did this before you wanted to assume that you are a better person because what your preferences should be universally obeyed?
- watwut 5mo agoIf I need a contract for you to treat me decently and respect my choices, I really dont think you can count as a "friend" at all.
- saligne 5mo agonaively assuming everyone will do whatever you want is closer to delusions of grandeur than ethics.
- Gigachad 5mo agoTbh I wish all messaging apps worked like this. While it’s kind of cool to make charts like this, the privacy implications are pretty terrible for keeping conversations forever. A data breach on an IM app would be one of the most devastating leaks ever. And there’s just not that many legitimate use cases for keeping all history. If someone tells you something important you can make the effort to move it to their contact or notes in your phone.
- darkwater 5mo agoIf the chat is truly E2E there is no way a data breach can happen on the server side. The same applies if the app is only saving chat logs locally. [1] Now, if the threat scenario is someone implanting a compromised version of the IM app on every device out there, and siphoning data from the device itself, then it's a completely different scenario. [1] although this could be intercepted by an attacker compromising the IM servers, if the app is not distributed/P2P
- outime 5mo agoLogs are stored on local devices and many people back them up in whatever cloud (majority not encrypted). You or the other person could lose the device and someone could use your PIN/password (something as simple as shoulder surfing while you use it). There could also be a leak in whatever cloud service you're using, or the data could get subpoenaed because of some dumb law that gets passed, some rogue employee, etc. It's a huge liability no matter how you look at it.
- darkwater 5mo agoYou are proposing scenarios in which the only safe posture is to not chat at all...
- actionfromafar 5mo agoNot really, if you accept the risk of it happening but you shrink the blast radius.