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Pentagon puts building blocks in place for Cuba invasion

36 points by cwwc 4mo ago

Jtsummers 4mo ago
Actual title: > Pentagon puts building blocks in place for Cuba invasion
mindslight 4mo ago
Let's try some 4-D chess. What is the overall plan here? Open up multiple wars-of-choice to settle decades old vendettas held by aging boomers, deplete the United States' stockpile of weapons, close up the suitcase operation when the People finally get wise to the treachery, and then abscond to China where they already call Trump the "Nation Builder" ? Meanwhile Big Tech is hoping their panopticon and AI drones will be complete enough that they can keep the People under control as what remains of the sidelined government continues burning, ushering in their desired corpo-authoritarian society?
- pram 4mo ago
  Everything I have seen seems like Trump was really expecting Iran to be a “3 day special operation” so the humiliating boondoggle and stand-off/interceptor etc depletion wasn’t part of the 4D chess. They probably expected Cuba would already be “done” at this point.
  - fakedang 4mo ago
    Someone formerly in intelligence told me that the plan in Iran seemingly was to coordinate the protests with strikes on vital government and military installations as a "humanitarian intervention", but the timing went off badly because they didn't expect the protests to get crushed so quickly and lose steam. But they decided to go ahead in the boondoggle anyways, on Israeli insistence.
    - quantified 4mo ago
      Not paying attention to the fact that the most fearless and motivated protesters had just been killed.
- pstuart 4mo ago
  I think they expect a repeat of Venezuela, which was a tidy operation for what it was (and something I highly disapprove of). But even though these operations are done in the name of "regime change", it's just about giving Trump the opportunity to cosplay as a warrior and to further distract from the dumpster fire of his administration.
  - mindslight 4mo ago
    Venezuela was literally the only thing Trump has done that made me sick with a feeling of "this is going to be well received by most people". (Distinct from the feeling that something should be poorly received, but then seeing the useful idiots lap it up anyway. The instances of this have been unenumerable) Hopefully if they do attack Cuba, it will play a little differently with one huge quagmire (or loss, depending on perspective) already on the table.
    - rayiner 4mo ago
      > Venezuela was literally the only thing Trump has done that made me sick with a feeling of "this is going to be well received by most people". You didn't think Trump's border policy was going to be well received? That seems... out of touch give how prominent an issue it was in the election. People remain quite positive on Trump's immigration policy; with Iran and inflation being his big weak spots: https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/HHP_Apr2026_KeyResults.pdf https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/HHP... (pp. 25, 26). I don’t know how invading Cuba would be received. I feel like the biggest source of consternation about Iran is the effect on gas prices. That’s not at issue in Cuba.
      - mindslight 4mo ago
        It might not run afoul of yours, but I assume that deploying domestic terrorists to attack American cities impinges upon most people's sense of morality in a way that attacking foreign countries (unfortunately) does not. This puts it in the second category I mentioned.
- nacozarina 4mo ago
  If the US is mired in its own domestic unrest and military misadventures in the Americas, it will be unable to intervene effectively in conflicts in Europe or Asia.
  - quantified 4mo ago
    Imagine being the next president inheriting this dumpster fire. I always thought Obama was handed a poisoned chalice. This will be insane.
    - oneneptune 4mo ago
      This is presuming the next president isn't supportive of these policies and a continuation of the policy.
      - quantified 4mo ago
        I'm thinking that even then, they'll be a bit smarter and realize that this is a lot to handle. Won't be starting from as good of a base.
    - openuntil3am 4mo ago
      > the next president I appreciate your optimism.
    - AuthAuth 4mo ago
      It really does need to be someone who has been in the political game their whole life. It cannot be another inexperienced populist.
      - kisper 4mo ago
        Along these lines, it seems too much hope for... but we need a president that can respectfully dialogue with people on the other side of the aisle and empathize with people and their views gained from lived experience. These days the status quo is to treat any opposition to their point of view as sign of idiocy or moral corruption.
- caymanjim 4mo ago
  Do you honestly think there's a plan?
- nirui 4mo ago
  > and then abscond to China I'm a Chinese, from what I learned, you probably don't see the situation clearly. The problem is influence. America wants to solve the Cuba (and Iran) problem since very long ago, and right now, while China is busy patching up their economic slop/mismanagement and Russia is trapped in Ukraine, is simply the best time to do so. With Cuba is cleared out, the Americas continent will be cleared of major (and loud) threats against America. That alone is beneficial. It's the same but opposite reason why America is supporting Japan, Taiwan and Europe etc, to control the influence of their competitors like China, Russia, India, Brazil etc (a.k.a Global South). It also allow Americans to keep a tap on Japan, Taiwan and Europe (etc) so they remains in American control. That's probably the 4-D chess you talked about. Also, the "Trump the 'Nation Builder'" part: In China, "Nation Builder" was a popular forename, it means "someone who contributes to their own country/nation". In the Trump context, it means that Trump's policies is benefiting China's goal. That is, when compare to Biden's policy which is much sophisticated and on point (while Trump's is blunt and wasteful). But I don't think American's soft gesture towards China will last after Cuba and Iran is dealt with (if) in a American victory though. Unlike what the "New World Order" conspiracy suggests, I don't think this world is stupid enough to not to pursue the maximums goal when possible. That's probably why Americans are working towards the maximums goal inches by inches.
  - tzs 4mo ago
    There is no "Cuba problem" that needs to be solved.
    - kcplate 4mo ago
      How many cuban ex-pats do you know? I would say “not many”. Every cuban ex-pat I know (and thats quite a lot because I live in FL) will tell you there is a Cuba problem. They all still have family suffering under that regime.
      - tzs 4mo ago
        Let me rephrase. The is no "Cuba problem" that the US needs to deal with any differently than it deals with/has dealt with the many other countries in the Americas that have/had people suffering under their regimes who had family in the US. As far as Cuba in particular goes, the suffering there would be a lot less if the US would drop its 65+ year old embargo and let them trade like all the other repressive regimes it is indifferent to.
b3ing 4mo ago
They want land, it’s the next Hawaii for real estate
Bombthecat 4mo ago
Time for a new stock ath!
- Bombthecat 4mo ago
  I was right lmao
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d--b 4mo ago
I feel that there would be a real opportunity to make peace with Cuba at the moment. It’s really weak with its major allies engaged in conflicts. But I doubt that Trump and the Cuban diaspora in the US just want peace or remove the leaders like they did in Venezuela. They really want to take the whole thing. Rich Cuban families that were driven out by the revolution want their land back. And Trump probably wants another golf resort and its name on the 51st state. It’s a shame that the president is not great at making deals.
jeisc 4mo ago
the USA soft power stopped working so they resorted to offshore warfare to force the non compliant governments into lock step
- palmotea 4mo ago
  > the USA soft power stopped working so they resorted to offshore warfare to force the non compliant governments into lock step When has US soft power ever worked with Cuba?
  - jeisc 4mo ago
    the USA still has a military base there and also took in a lot of boat people
    - palmotea 4mo ago
      > the USA still has a military base there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base:"Since https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base:"Sin... taking power in 1959, the Cuban government has consistently protested against the U.S. presence on Cuban soil, arguing that the base was imposed on Cuba by force and is illegal under international law." > and also took in a lot of boat people Explain how that gave the US any "soft power" influence over the Cuban government. If anything, that opposite effect of enabling more anti-US hostility on the part of the Cuban government, as it give the regime an escape valve for domestic dissent, making its rule more secure.
      - kcplate 4mo ago
        > is illegal under international law Here is a nice little brain teaser…What law would that be? And who would or could enforce said law? And if said law cannot be enforced, is it actually a law at all? > Explain how that gave the US any "soft power" influence over the Cuban government. Pretty sure the Castro bros regime knowing that there is nearly a half million people who are specifically “non-fans” of the current Cuban government, but are people patriotic towards Cuba, with family still in Cuba…who are sitting 100 miles off the Cuban shores would factor into cuban government decision making as it relates to US relations.
josefritzishere 4mo ago
The lawlessness of this administration is problematic to say the least.
tim-tday 4mo ago
Yet another war nobody asked for or needs.
SilentM68 4mo ago
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sph 4mo ago
Americans, elsewhere in this thread, are pretty jaded at this. “My country is going to invade another, possibly killing hundred of innocent people. What else can I do but shrug?” I cannot hide the fact this makes me irrationally angry, and filled with contempt. I have reached the point I just want to see it fail with catastrophic consequences.

36 points by cwwc 4mo ago

Actual title: > Pentagon puts building blocks in place for Cuba invasion

Let's try some 4-D chess. What is the overall plan here? Open up multiple wars-of-choice to settle decades old vendettas held by aging boomers, deplete the United States' stockpile of weapons, close up the suitcase operation when the People finally get wise to the treachery, and then abscond to China where they already call Trump the "Nation Builder" ? Meanwhile Big Tech is hoping their panopticon and AI drones will be complete enough that they can keep the People under control as what remains of the sidelined government continues burning, ushering in their desired corpo-authoritarian society?

pram 4mo ago
Everything I have seen seems like Trump was really expecting Iran to be a “3 day special operation” so the humiliating boondoggle and stand-off/interceptor etc depletion wasn’t part of the 4D chess. They probably expected Cuba would already be “done” at this point.
- fakedang 4mo ago
  Someone formerly in intelligence told me that the plan in Iran seemingly was to coordinate the protests with strikes on vital government and military installations as a "humanitarian intervention", but the timing went off badly because they didn't expect the protests to get crushed so quickly and lose steam. But they decided to go ahead in the boondoggle anyways, on Israeli insistence.
  - quantified 4mo ago
    Not paying attention to the fact that the most fearless and motivated protesters had just been killed.
pstuart 4mo ago
I think they expect a repeat of Venezuela, which was a tidy operation for what it was (and something I highly disapprove of). But even though these operations are done in the name of "regime change", it's just about giving Trump the opportunity to cosplay as a warrior and to further distract from the dumpster fire of his administration.
- mindslight 4mo ago
  Venezuela was literally the only thing Trump has done that made me sick with a feeling of "this is going to be well received by most people". (Distinct from the feeling that something should be poorly received, but then seeing the useful idiots lap it up anyway. The instances of this have been unenumerable) Hopefully if they do attack Cuba, it will play a little differently with one huge quagmire (or loss, depending on perspective) already on the table.
  - rayiner 4mo ago
    > Venezuela was literally the only thing Trump has done that made me sick with a feeling of "this is going to be well received by most people". You didn't think Trump's border policy was going to be well received? That seems... out of touch give how prominent an issue it was in the election. People remain quite positive on Trump's immigration policy; with Iran and inflation being his big weak spots: https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/HHP_Apr2026_KeyResults.pdf https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/HHP... (pp. 25, 26). I don’t know how invading Cuba would be received. I feel like the biggest source of consternation about Iran is the effect on gas prices. That’s not at issue in Cuba.
    - mindslight 4mo ago
      It might not run afoul of yours, but I assume that deploying domestic terrorists to attack American cities impinges upon most people's sense of morality in a way that attacking foreign countries (unfortunately) does not. This puts it in the second category I mentioned.
nacozarina 4mo ago
If the US is mired in its own domestic unrest and military misadventures in the Americas, it will be unable to intervene effectively in conflicts in Europe or Asia.
- quantified 4mo ago
  Imagine being the next president inheriting this dumpster fire. I always thought Obama was handed a poisoned chalice. This will be insane.
  - oneneptune 4mo ago
    This is presuming the next president isn't supportive of these policies and a continuation of the policy.
    - quantified 4mo ago
      I'm thinking that even then, they'll be a bit smarter and realize that this is a lot to handle. Won't be starting from as good of a base.
  - openuntil3am 4mo ago
    > the next president I appreciate your optimism.
  - AuthAuth 4mo ago
    It really does need to be someone who has been in the political game their whole life. It cannot be another inexperienced populist.
    - kisper 4mo ago
      Along these lines, it seems too much hope for... but we need a president that can respectfully dialogue with people on the other side of the aisle and empathize with people and their views gained from lived experience. These days the status quo is to treat any opposition to their point of view as sign of idiocy or moral corruption.
caymanjim 4mo ago
Do you honestly think there's a plan?
nirui 4mo ago
> and then abscond to China I'm a Chinese, from what I learned, you probably don't see the situation clearly. The problem is influence. America wants to solve the Cuba (and Iran) problem since very long ago, and right now, while China is busy patching up their economic slop/mismanagement and Russia is trapped in Ukraine, is simply the best time to do so. With Cuba is cleared out, the Americas continent will be cleared of major (and loud) threats against America. That alone is beneficial. It's the same but opposite reason why America is supporting Japan, Taiwan and Europe etc, to control the influence of their competitors like China, Russia, India, Brazil etc (a.k.a Global South). It also allow Americans to keep a tap on Japan, Taiwan and Europe (etc) so they remains in American control. That's probably the 4-D chess you talked about. Also, the "Trump the 'Nation Builder'" part: In China, "Nation Builder" was a popular forename, it means "someone who contributes to their own country/nation". In the Trump context, it means that Trump's policies is benefiting China's goal. That is, when compare to Biden's policy which is much sophisticated and on point (while Trump's is blunt and wasteful). But I don't think American's soft gesture towards China will last after Cuba and Iran is dealt with (if) in a American victory though. Unlike what the "New World Order" conspiracy suggests, I don't think this world is stupid enough to not to pursue the maximums goal when possible. That's probably why Americans are working towards the maximums goal inches by inches.
- tzs 4mo ago
  There is no "Cuba problem" that needs to be solved.
  - kcplate 4mo ago
    How many cuban ex-pats do you know? I would say “not many”. Every cuban ex-pat I know (and thats quite a lot because I live in FL) will tell you there is a Cuba problem. They all still have family suffering under that regime.
    - tzs 4mo ago
      Let me rephrase. The is no "Cuba problem" that the US needs to deal with any differently than it deals with/has dealt with the many other countries in the Americas that have/had people suffering under their regimes who had family in the US. As far as Cuba in particular goes, the suffering there would be a lot less if the US would drop its 65+ year old embargo and let them trade like all the other repressive regimes it is indifferent to.

b3ing 4mo ago

They want land, it’s the next Hawaii for real estate

Bombthecat 4mo ago

Time for a new stock ath!

Bombthecat 4mo ago
I was right lmao

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d--b 4mo ago

I feel that there would be a real opportunity to make peace with Cuba at the moment. It’s really weak with its major allies engaged in conflicts. But I doubt that Trump and the Cuban diaspora in the US just want peace or remove the leaders like they did in Venezuela. They really want to take the whole thing. Rich Cuban families that were driven out by the revolution want their land back. And Trump probably wants another golf resort and its name on the 51st state. It’s a shame that the president is not great at making deals.

jeisc 4mo ago

the USA soft power stopped working so they resorted to offshore warfare to force the non compliant governments into lock step

palmotea 4mo ago
> the USA soft power stopped working so they resorted to offshore warfare to force the non compliant governments into lock step When has US soft power ever worked with Cuba?
- jeisc 4mo ago
  the USA still has a military base there and also took in a lot of boat people
  - palmotea 4mo ago
    > the USA still has a military base there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base:"Since https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base:"Sin... taking power in 1959, the Cuban government has consistently protested against the U.S. presence on Cuban soil, arguing that the base was imposed on Cuba by force and is illegal under international law." > and also took in a lot of boat people Explain how that gave the US any "soft power" influence over the Cuban government. If anything, that opposite effect of enabling more anti-US hostility on the part of the Cuban government, as it give the regime an escape valve for domestic dissent, making its rule more secure.
    - kcplate 4mo ago
      > is illegal under international law Here is a nice little brain teaser…What law would that be? And who would or could enforce said law? And if said law cannot be enforced, is it actually a law at all? > Explain how that gave the US any "soft power" influence over the Cuban government. Pretty sure the Castro bros regime knowing that there is nearly a half million people who are specifically “non-fans” of the current Cuban government, but are people patriotic towards Cuba, with family still in Cuba…who are sitting 100 miles off the Cuban shores would factor into cuban government decision making as it relates to US relations.

josefritzishere 4mo ago

The lawlessness of this administration is problematic to say the least.

tim-tday 4mo ago

Yet another war nobody asked for or needs.

SilentM68 4mo ago

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sph 4mo ago

Americans, elsewhere in this thread, are pretty jaded at this. “My country is going to invade another, possibly killing hundred of innocent people. What else can I do but shrug?” I cannot hide the fact this makes me irrationally angry, and filled with contempt. I have reached the point I just want to see it fail with catastrophic consequences.