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A friend of mine who is a very non-technical dermatologist listens exclusively to Suno songs she made. All in genres and styles of songs from her era, the 80s a

A friend of mine who is a very non-technical dermatologist listens exclusively to Suno songs she made. All in genres and styles of songs from her era, the 80s and 90s. Who else is going to make new songs for her? New music almost always targets young people.

platevoltage 4mo ago
I'm still discovering music from "my era". Music doesn't have to be new to be new to you.
TylerE 4mo ago
The large number of actual bands from that era still around?
- montag 4mo ago
  Consider yourself lucky if they still make music in their vintage style
vlunkr 4mo ago
There are millions of people making music in an ever-expanding set of genres. The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd. I guess she can listen to slop but maybe just look around a little instead? Edit: slop not slob
- _carbyau_ 4mo ago
  > just look around a little instead? This seems harder than you suggest. I suggest things to my streaming platform and it reverts to what I call "cruisy shit" within 5-10 songs as though it's playing a game of "6 degrees" between my chosen starting point and what it wants to play. For me, "The Algorithm To Engage" is more of a "the beatings will continue until morale improves Algorithm".
- glitcher 4mo ago
  I agree with you when it comes to my own process of finding new music, but the example given was a lot more specific than just 80s/90s music. Who’s to say that person didn’t do extensive searches before using Suno? Sounds more like the classic discoverabity problem big platforms continue to do poorly with to me. But I agree with the sentiment, great stuff by real artists is out there if you’re able to find it.
- echelon 4mo ago
  > The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd. The idea that only humans can make music is absurd. > I guess she can listen to slob but maybe just look around a little instead? The idea that AI generated = slop is absurd. Humans create just as much, if not more slop. Look at 99% of "professional" output in creative fields. It's awful. A human with taste steering AI tools can be better than a "classical" human with hard skills but no taste. The old world is going to be run over: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWZYP5jn5w4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWZYP5jn5w4 Completely. Run. Over.
  - zfoong 4mo ago
    Rather than genuinely enjoying a well-made/actually entertaining AI content, people are just gonna blindly hate on anything AI-generated.
    - platevoltage 4mo ago
      As they should. AI can't create art, because AI doesn't have a sense of expression.
      - userbinator 4mo ago
        You're right, there's always a human driving the AI to create art.
      - echelon 4mo ago
        Good thing humans know how to use AI and make kick ass content with it. AI is a tool. Artists and engineers using AI as a tool can get further than people not using it at all.
        platevoltage 4mo ago
        Are you an artist by chance?
    - harimau777 4mo ago
- hombre_fatal 4mo ago
  It's not just look around a little. It's look around a lot. It's spend all your music-listening time looking around. Have the ick for AI-gen, fine. But dismissing the things it solves puts you in a position where you'll never understand other people.
  - smohare 4mo ago
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  - vlunkr 4mo ago
    You can spend your time looking for music or you can spend it prompting Suno. Personally I'll always take the former, I enjoy it, but to each their own.
  - Barbing 4mo ago
    > It's spend all your music-listening time looking around. Spotify algorithm not kind to everyone I suppose… I’m enough of a normie with music it works for me. Crate digging doesn’t feel too time consuming at all (as easy as throwing on quirky California college radio stations).
    - a57721 4mo ago
      > quirky California college radio stations I listen to SomaFM (https://somafm.com/ https://somafm.com/) and FIP (https://www.radiofrance.fr/fip https://www.radiofrance.fr/fip), they have online streams by genre. When something gets me interested, I look up the artist, and I keep discovering lots of new names, independent labels, etc.
    - dahrkael 4mo ago
      Spotify is full of AI songs so not a good alternative in this case
      - Cthulhu_ 4mo ago
        It can be, but you'll need to look up the human made / curated playlists; definitely avoid Spotify's own (as they've been seeding them with their own songs for a while now, even before AI), and don't enable the auto mixing / radio feature.
- giancarlostoro 4mo ago
  "Slob" / "slop" is thrown around so much I don't take anyone seriously who drops that word unless the output matches the commentary. There's definitely a lot of trash AI stuff out there don't get me wrong, but there's also insanely high quality AI generated things out there. Hell, I've sent people songs made in Suno, and they were surprised to learn that those were AI generated. If you open suno and type in "90s jazz song" then yeah, you're likely going to get a bit of generic AI slop. If you get into specifics, voice style, instrument types, how they're played, which chords, etc. You can get some insanely high quality music. Not only that but Suno has a whole DAW style extension to it they call Suno Studio which is very powerful, you can get AI stems, you can add your own voice. Someone could get studio quality tracks for $10 a month, and add their own vocals and have a high quality sounding song. Is it slop if you pour hours of work into it tweaking every detail? At that point using a DAW is slop then (which I'm sure some people hate music made that way, but a lot of music is made this way).
  - platevoltage 4mo ago
    I just don't get it. Music isn't just what comes out of the speaker. There are artists, with lives and influences behind the music. There is personal expression in the lyrics. Even when the artist chooses to remain anonymous, or they choose to not have lyrics at all, there is still something personal behind it. A DAW is just a tool, and it's a tool that can be used badly, for example, over produced metal with quantized and sample replaced drums. Sure, AI can be a tool for music production just like a DAW can, but when it crosses the line into, lets call it "vibe-produced" music, it is indeed slop, and deserves to be referred to as such.
    - vlunkr 4mo ago
      Yeah this is how I feel. People who like AI music seem to be a same people who would just throw on random "deep work" or "lofi" youtube playlists and let them run all day. That has never appealed to me. I like to learn about the artists and history.
    - latentsea 4mo ago
      > There is personal expression in the lyrics. Sometimes there is. Sometimes it's just made up shit with no real backing in the same way a lot of stories told in comedy routines are. Not all of it is genuine expression. I love music and I frequently go to live shows, so the bar for me has kind of become "Can I go see this artist live, OR is it so good that I don't care that I can't?" If it passes that, I'll listen. I've found one AI generated song that has made it onto my top 100 favorite songs I've ever heard. The thing that really shits me with AI music is when it outputs default ChatGPT sounding lyrics. There's certain tells and boy do they give me the ick.
- harimau777 4mo ago
  Where would you look around? Previously web search, YouTube, and Reddit would have been my go to but they have all been enshittified.
  - vlunkr 4mo ago
    I’ve had good luck with gnoosic. Or taking artists I like as a starting point and finding out who influenced them, and who they influenced.
    - platevoltage 4mo ago
      I always found Last.fm great for this. I have no idea what it's like now.
  - latentsea 4mo ago
    YouTube is excellent. Aside from my main account I have one that I mainly just use to listen to music, and I just surf the algorithm listening to whatever is in the recommend list, which is usually a handful of songs I've got on heavy rotation, but YouTube also tends to cycle back some old favorites, and some new gems. I just keep surfing it day in day out letting it take me where it will as one of two main ways I listen to music. I regularly find new gems pretty reliably. All the gems then go to my playlist in Spotify, which I listen to during my commute.
- NexRebular 4mo ago
  > The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd You can see new releases almost daily on e.g. NewRetroWave[0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/newretrowave https://www.youtube.com/newretrowave
floxy 4mo ago
She's in luck: https://youtu.be/6JCLY0Rlx6Q?si=xZvid6TWR66LTqhE https://youtu.be/6JCLY0Rlx6Q?si=xZvid6TWR66LTqhE
dehrmann 4mo ago
I might be an outlier, but I grew up listening to some genres that have fallen out of fashion, and I don't feel like I need more songs from them--we've explored enough of what they can do. What I miss from the 90's isn't third-wave ska as people trying things and bizarre songs becoming hits.
bardackx 4mo ago
I find super HARD to believe that we ran out of musicians doing music in the styles of the 80s/90s maybe your friend just doesn't want to search for new music, and that is ok, it's ok to be lazy, not a crime; but saying nobody is making such music is a sad excuse.
- alwa 4mo ago
  It’s also OK to like what you like. She likes Suno jams. Great! I feel like this trope is strongest amongst musicians-feeling-underappreciated, but that the idea seeps in to all manners of creative work: that, because you’re rightfully proud of what you do, the audience is wronging you (or “lazy,” or “sad,” or “cheap,” or “tasteless”) by not appreciating it. It doesn’t make me feel a lot of sympathy.
  - Barbing 4mo ago
    That might be OK if Suno had compensated everybody they needed to. I feel sympathy for people who made something that was reappropriated by those without strong ethics.
    - NietTim 4mo ago
      Meanwhile you probably use Spotify or other streaming platforms without issue.
      - filoeleven 4mo ago
        Artists have to agree to be featured on Spotify, and agree to the royalty fees they receive. AI just pillaged recorded human history with zero compensation. Big difference.
  - textadventure 4mo ago
    > It’s also OK to like what you like. She likes Suno jams. Great! People like what they like, sure. And if someone was particularly into the idea of machines making music, or even take some cynical enjoyment out of this on the full understanding of what it is they are doing. Sure, whatever. But someone acting like listening to AI generated music is their only choice due to their taste in music? Come on, that's a sci-fi nightmare right there. Not even going full-on ecologist here, but the resource expenditure alone is so out of whack for something only a single person will listen to. I don't even consider myself a musician, just a human being baffled at the total lack of humanity and how that lack of humanity is being normalized. Talk about sympathy.
floxy 4mo ago
I also want to state that I think this is the perfect use-case for generative AI. You have a desire, and you use the AI to scratch your particular itch. Where it goes wrong is the people who want to make a quick buck by shoveling out heaps of random crap in the hopes that there will be some clicks to generate revenue. I mean someone is going to accidentally discover the prompt for the next "Baby Shark", get a billion views, and then the real onslaught will begin.
overfeed 4mo ago
> Who else is going to make new songs for her? I doubt she has exhausted all the (old) music made in the 80s and 90s. It's not a problem with supply, but discovery. Ironically, Suno probably had to overcome that challenge while gathering training data.
thelucent 4mo ago
I did the same too. I listen exclusively to my own songs made with the help of AI. My styles are orchestra and symphony pop, which I find rare these days. Even if it exists, the lyrics might not be something that I enjoy. So I just write my own lyrics, decides on the melodies, and put it to AI to create a polished version. Do I feel emotional when I listen to it? Of course, its my own lyrics that I wrote. Of course I sing along with it because its the melodies I chose. And its even more emotional because I relate to it. Someone can create some songs with billion listeners and emotional for others, but if it doesn’t relate to me. What am I supposed to feel? My listener wont be able to relate with me personally because they don’t know me. But they might be able to resonates with my songs because it triggers specific memories or emotions for them. And for me that’s enough. Let the songs be the one that they resonates with.
- shevy-java 4mo ago
  That's actually a bit creepy to me. How do you deal with a lack of novelty factor here though? Because ultimately, if you yourself generate all music you listen to, how could anything be surprising? I often listen to songs that surprise me in one way or another.
  - imp0cat 4mo ago
    Does it really have to be suprising? Some people already have a life full of surprises (read: stress). Comforting music can help with that.
    - textadventure 4mo ago
      That's like saying that in order to not be stressed you can only read books that you write yourself. Are we seriously going to act like any of this is normal or healthy?
      - galkk 4mo ago
        Your analogy doesn’t make any sense.
svachalek 4mo ago
Not entirely comparable, but it's easier to find in Korea. "I do" by I-dle [formerly (G)I-dle] for example, has a wonderful 80s sound.
HDBaseT 4mo ago
There is plenty of artists making music analogous to 80's and 90's classics. Not to mention millions of 80's and 90's songs she's never heard. I constantly find myself discovering new 90s Boombap, Hip Hop beats and tracks from underground artists. Unfortunately a ton of these aren't on Spotify, although they exist on YouTube in near endless capacity. A lot of my favorite songs of all time aren't great just because they sound nice, but they are great because they have immense meaning. Alice in Chains is one of the all time greatest bands and their lyrical messaging means so much, with the passing of Layne from a drug overdose the songs have a raw, visceral feeling. Many of their songs are explaining the struggle, they are deeply personal. That is lost with AI Music.
- dahrkael 4mo ago
  elevator music doesnt need any deep meaning
  - 1718627440 4mo ago
    Elevators don't need any music at all.
    - redsocksfan45 4mo ago
      [dead]
    - Gander5739 4mo ago
      Our basest beggars are in the poorest thing superfluous.
- galkk 4mo ago
  What is the problem if somebody doesn’t seek the deep meaning or anything and enjoys whatever she enjoys? Plenty of artists plain suck and discovery is a problem that requires time and effort. If somebody makes decision to like what they like (and made, to some extent) that’s their choice.
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cameronh90 4mo ago
I have no issue with individuals choosing to listen to generative AI. I even occasionally listen to it myself when I’m deep working and just need to occupy that part of my brain (having previously listened to algorithmically generated music or those endless copyright free trance mixes for the same purpose). But I don’t like how it’s flooding discovery platforms to the point that it gets impossible to wade through slop and find actual bands that I could see in person. It’s like when Etsy turned into a Made in China marketplace. MIC is fine, but if I’m going to Etsy it’s because I wanted something else.
me551ah 4mo ago
Even for making new music Suno is a godsend. My workflow has changed from making a whole track to just creating some nice loops with my favorite VSTs and asking Suno the rest. I get a song in the exact BPM and style that I wanted, while saving me a ton of time.
CalRobert 4mo ago
The Midnight are a pretty fun modern eighties band!
paul7986 4mo ago
Same as i almost only listen to my own AI Slop yet Ive wrote melodies/lyrics since a kid. Ive always recorded my guitar or keyboard along with my vocal (terrible singer here) track then mixed it in GarageBand and exported each song as an MP3. Now in 2025/2026 I feed my MP3s of my songs to Suno and they sound pro. Also, they have a ton more meaning to me then anyone elses songs. I dont care if others listen to my slop its mine and again more meaningful then all others music. AI Music is changing music habits ...your friend and myself arent the only ones https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/937059/nobody-wants-to-tell-me-why-they-only-listen-their-own-suno-slop https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/937059/n.... Give it ten years or so and i bet the Taylor Swifts type acts and the big music industry machine wont be as celebrated.
poink 4mo ago
The 80s and 90s were pretty much the golden age of music production in terms of breadth and sheer volume. This is the distilled essence of a “first world problem.”
pattle 4mo ago
This is interesting. I think AI music will be massive in a few years. It makes sense to listen to music made just for you by a model that knows you. You're bound to feel more emotion from that than trying to relate to something that wasn't written about you
- listenallyall 4mo ago
  I think its the exact opposite. One of the best features of art, in any form, is that it offers different perspectives, viewpoints, ideas. Think of how many people changed something major in their life due to a song, a movie, a photograph. Now think of how little would happen if AI just repeated back what "it knows" you already like. Your entire life would just be a derivative of things you liked as a 6-year old. Nothing new, nothing challenging, nothing fresh.
- wiseowise 4mo ago
  > I think AI music will be massive in a few years. Massive like Temu/AliExpress products massive.
- delis-thumbs-7e 4mo ago
  > made just for you by a model that knows you It “knows” nothing. It has a database of tokens you have given it to generate more tokens, constantly turning toward meaningless averages unless you steer it strong. Technically speaking any Meta or Google algorithm “knows you” better. I am not religious, but I can connect into some desire for spiritual, salvation and purity in Allegri’s Miserere. I am not Catholic, I oppose many things Catholic church stands for and I certainly was not alive in .italy in 17th century, but still across the time I can share this common experience of humanity that is completely separate of my own. It is something only art can do. Without that art is just another narcissistic social media wank inherently without meaning.
  - frozenseven 4mo ago
    >nothing >meaningless >narcissistic >wank Cool insults. But my lying eyes and ears still say that AI knows me pretty well and is bringing plenty of value to my life.
clockdiv 4mo ago
I wonder about the social aspect. People growing up with listening exclusively to their own AI-generated music will never dance together and scream to the same old songs, even if it just became “bad taste”. Its such a huge part of our culture that they will just miss. Same goes of course to all other parts of arts and culture. A good start to read is „ The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction“ by Walter Benjamin.
bilekas 4mo ago
> New music almost always targets young people. Hard disagree, there is just music people make because it's what they want to make, if all you're looking at is the top 10/pop radio music, yes it will be tailored for the largest market but by no means is there a conspiracy to only accomodate the 'young people'.
jeltz 4mo ago
Plenty of people? There are gigs every week in my city by bands who make music in 80s and 90s genres and many of them still make new music, some of it really good. And you can usually find it at both Bandcamp and Spotify.
jongjong 4mo ago
I'm in a similar boat. I don't like modern music. I was never a big music fan TBH though I did like a few really good pieces from my day. That said I never cared much for lyrics because I didn't find them relatable. I'm only interested in the tune... I like lyrics but only for the audio properties of the words; literally, I like the sound of human vocal chords. The way I use Suno is sometimes I play Ukulele and discover a tune I like; I record it and generate a song from it. I didn't take any music lessons. I'm 100% self-taught so my recordings are a little rough but the melody comes through and Suno polishes it up nicely and adds lyrics based on a topic I've been thinking about. I find both the creation and listening aspects relaxing and therapeutic. I'm not a musician so Suno is the only way I could actually produce and finish a song. It's very clearly my melodies, my songs but it's enjoyable to hear them as a finished product. There is definitely an element of surprise, the lyrics are sometimes quite insightful and clever too and I can actually start appreciating the poetic aspect of music in a way which eluded me before. I suspect that by the time most musicians finish refining and producing their own songs, without AI, they're probably tired of hearing it. Suno avoids that. It's a truly novel thing to be both a producer and consumer of your own music. Perfect for an introvert like me who can't relate to anyone except himself. It's nice to see that some other people also like my pieces though I'm not trying to make a career out of it.
wiseowise 4mo ago
> All in genres and styles of songs from her era, the 80s and 90s. Who else is going to make new songs for her? How much music do you even need? Is she listening 24/7?
drngdds 4mo ago
>Who else is going to make new songs for her? Lots of artists! They are not even remotely hard to find. They are literally a google search away. Typing stuff into Suno because you can't be bothered to search "new artists that sound 90s" is crazy
mr-wendel 4mo ago
Gotta plug nightride.fm as an online station that is fully fueled by artist-submitted, non-AI music. It's all 80s/synth-inspired with one main channel, but there are more niche channels (e.g. chillwave is a popular one) too. The site itself is also a real pleasure to stumble upon. I'm not affiliated with it, nor am I against AI-generated music. Just a huge fan who admires the hard work people pour into making the scene work.
mikhailfranco 4mo ago
A long-form critique of Suno by a musician/producer: Suno, AI Music, and the Bad Future | Adam Neely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8dcFhF0Dlk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8dcFhF0Dlk A detailed philosophical discussion of his point=of-view: AI Music is Not Music - Adam Neely | Alex O'Connor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbv0iX_EyLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbv0iX_EyLM

platevoltage 4mo ago

I'm still discovering music from "my era". Music doesn't have to be new to be new to you.

TylerE 4mo ago

The large number of actual bands from that era still around?

montag 4mo ago
Consider yourself lucky if they still make music in their vintage style

vlunkr 4mo ago

There are millions of people making music in an ever-expanding set of genres. The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd. I guess she can listen to slop but maybe just look around a little instead? Edit: slop not slob

_carbyau_ 4mo ago
> just look around a little instead? This seems harder than you suggest. I suggest things to my streaming platform and it reverts to what I call "cruisy shit" within 5-10 songs as though it's playing a game of "6 degrees" between my chosen starting point and what it wants to play. For me, "The Algorithm To Engage" is more of a "the beatings will continue until morale improves Algorithm".
glitcher 4mo ago
I agree with you when it comes to my own process of finding new music, but the example given was a lot more specific than just 80s/90s music. Who’s to say that person didn’t do extensive searches before using Suno? Sounds more like the classic discoverabity problem big platforms continue to do poorly with to me. But I agree with the sentiment, great stuff by real artists is out there if you’re able to find it.
echelon 4mo ago
> The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd. The idea that only humans can make music is absurd. > I guess she can listen to slob but maybe just look around a little instead? The idea that AI generated = slop is absurd. Humans create just as much, if not more slop. Look at 99% of "professional" output in creative fields. It's awful. A human with taste steering AI tools can be better than a "classical" human with hard skills but no taste. The old world is going to be run over: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWZYP5jn5w4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWZYP5jn5w4 Completely. Run. Over.
- zfoong 4mo ago
  Rather than genuinely enjoying a well-made/actually entertaining AI content, people are just gonna blindly hate on anything AI-generated.
  - platevoltage 4mo ago
    As they should. AI can't create art, because AI doesn't have a sense of expression.
    - userbinator 4mo ago
      You're right, there's always a human driving the AI to create art.
    - echelon 4mo ago
      Good thing humans know how to use AI and make kick ass content with it. AI is a tool. Artists and engineers using AI as a tool can get further than people not using it at all.
      - platevoltage 4mo ago
        Are you an artist by chance?
  - harimau777 4mo ago
hombre_fatal 4mo ago
It's not just look around a little. It's look around a lot. It's spend all your music-listening time looking around. Have the ick for AI-gen, fine. But dismissing the things it solves puts you in a position where you'll never understand other people.
- smohare 4mo ago
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- vlunkr 4mo ago
  You can spend your time looking for music or you can spend it prompting Suno. Personally I'll always take the former, I enjoy it, but to each their own.
- Barbing 4mo ago
  > It's spend all your music-listening time looking around. Spotify algorithm not kind to everyone I suppose… I’m enough of a normie with music it works for me. Crate digging doesn’t feel too time consuming at all (as easy as throwing on quirky California college radio stations).
  - a57721 4mo ago
    > quirky California college radio stations I listen to SomaFM (https://somafm.com/ https://somafm.com/) and FIP (https://www.radiofrance.fr/fip https://www.radiofrance.fr/fip), they have online streams by genre. When something gets me interested, I look up the artist, and I keep discovering lots of new names, independent labels, etc.
  - dahrkael 4mo ago
    Spotify is full of AI songs so not a good alternative in this case
    - Cthulhu_ 4mo ago
      It can be, but you'll need to look up the human made / curated playlists; definitely avoid Spotify's own (as they've been seeding them with their own songs for a while now, even before AI), and don't enable the auto mixing / radio feature.
giancarlostoro 4mo ago
"Slob" / "slop" is thrown around so much I don't take anyone seriously who drops that word unless the output matches the commentary. There's definitely a lot of trash AI stuff out there don't get me wrong, but there's also insanely high quality AI generated things out there. Hell, I've sent people songs made in Suno, and they were surprised to learn that those were AI generated. If you open suno and type in "90s jazz song" then yeah, you're likely going to get a bit of generic AI slop. If you get into specifics, voice style, instrument types, how they're played, which chords, etc. You can get some insanely high quality music. Not only that but Suno has a whole DAW style extension to it they call Suno Studio which is very powerful, you can get AI stems, you can add your own voice. Someone could get studio quality tracks for $10 a month, and add their own vocals and have a high quality sounding song. Is it slop if you pour hours of work into it tweaking every detail? At that point using a DAW is slop then (which I'm sure some people hate music made that way, but a lot of music is made this way).
- platevoltage 4mo ago
  I just don't get it. Music isn't just what comes out of the speaker. There are artists, with lives and influences behind the music. There is personal expression in the lyrics. Even when the artist chooses to remain anonymous, or they choose to not have lyrics at all, there is still something personal behind it. A DAW is just a tool, and it's a tool that can be used badly, for example, over produced metal with quantized and sample replaced drums. Sure, AI can be a tool for music production just like a DAW can, but when it crosses the line into, lets call it "vibe-produced" music, it is indeed slop, and deserves to be referred to as such.
  - vlunkr 4mo ago
    Yeah this is how I feel. People who like AI music seem to be a same people who would just throw on random "deep work" or "lofi" youtube playlists and let them run all day. That has never appealed to me. I like to learn about the artists and history.
  - latentsea 4mo ago
    > There is personal expression in the lyrics. Sometimes there is. Sometimes it's just made up shit with no real backing in the same way a lot of stories told in comedy routines are. Not all of it is genuine expression. I love music and I frequently go to live shows, so the bar for me has kind of become "Can I go see this artist live, OR is it so good that I don't care that I can't?" If it passes that, I'll listen. I've found one AI generated song that has made it onto my top 100 favorite songs I've ever heard. The thing that really shits me with AI music is when it outputs default ChatGPT sounding lyrics. There's certain tells and boy do they give me the ick.
harimau777 4mo ago
Where would you look around? Previously web search, YouTube, and Reddit would have been my go to but they have all been enshittified.
- vlunkr 4mo ago
  I’ve had good luck with gnoosic. Or taking artists I like as a starting point and finding out who influenced them, and who they influenced.
  - platevoltage 4mo ago
    I always found Last.fm great for this. I have no idea what it's like now.
- latentsea 4mo ago
  YouTube is excellent. Aside from my main account I have one that I mainly just use to listen to music, and I just surf the algorithm listening to whatever is in the recommend list, which is usually a handful of songs I've got on heavy rotation, but YouTube also tends to cycle back some old favorites, and some new gems. I just keep surfing it day in day out letting it take me where it will as one of two main ways I listen to music. I regularly find new gems pretty reliably. All the gems then go to my playlist in Spotify, which I listen to during my commute.
NexRebular 4mo ago
> The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd You can see new releases almost daily on e.g. NewRetroWave[0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/newretrowave https://www.youtube.com/newretrowave

floxy 4mo ago

She's in luck: https://youtu.be/6JCLY0Rlx6Q?si=xZvid6TWR66LTqhE https://youtu.be/6JCLY0Rlx6Q?si=xZvid6TWR66LTqhE

dehrmann 4mo ago

I might be an outlier, but I grew up listening to some genres that have fallen out of fashion, and I don't feel like I need more songs from them--we've explored enough of what they can do. What I miss from the 90's isn't third-wave ska as people trying things and bizarre songs becoming hits.

bardackx 4mo ago

I find super HARD to believe that we ran out of musicians doing music in the styles of the 80s/90s maybe your friend just doesn't want to search for new music, and that is ok, it's ok to be lazy, not a crime; but saying nobody is making such music is a sad excuse.

alwa 4mo ago
It’s also OK to like what you like. She likes Suno jams. Great! I feel like this trope is strongest amongst musicians-feeling-underappreciated, but that the idea seeps in to all manners of creative work: that, because you’re rightfully proud of what you do, the audience is wronging you (or “lazy,” or “sad,” or “cheap,” or “tasteless”) by not appreciating it. It doesn’t make me feel a lot of sympathy.
- Barbing 4mo ago
  That might be OK if Suno had compensated everybody they needed to. I feel sympathy for people who made something that was reappropriated by those without strong ethics.
  - NietTim 4mo ago
    Meanwhile you probably use Spotify or other streaming platforms without issue.
    - filoeleven 4mo ago
      Artists have to agree to be featured on Spotify, and agree to the royalty fees they receive. AI just pillaged recorded human history with zero compensation. Big difference.
- textadventure 4mo ago
  > It’s also OK to like what you like. She likes Suno jams. Great! People like what they like, sure. And if someone was particularly into the idea of machines making music, or even take some cynical enjoyment out of this on the full understanding of what it is they are doing. Sure, whatever. But someone acting like listening to AI generated music is their only choice due to their taste in music? Come on, that's a sci-fi nightmare right there. Not even going full-on ecologist here, but the resource expenditure alone is so out of whack for something only a single person will listen to. I don't even consider myself a musician, just a human being baffled at the total lack of humanity and how that lack of humanity is being normalized. Talk about sympathy.

floxy 4mo ago

I also want to state that I think this is the perfect use-case for generative AI. You have a desire, and you use the AI to scratch your particular itch. Where it goes wrong is the people who want to make a quick buck by shoveling out heaps of random crap in the hopes that there will be some clicks to generate revenue. I mean someone is going to accidentally discover the prompt for the next "Baby Shark", get a billion views, and then the real onslaught will begin.

overfeed 4mo ago

> Who else is going to make new songs for her? I doubt she has exhausted all the (old) music made in the 80s and 90s. It's not a problem with supply, but discovery. Ironically, Suno probably had to overcome that challenge while gathering training data.

thelucent 4mo ago

I did the same too. I listen exclusively to my own songs made with the help of AI. My styles are orchestra and symphony pop, which I find rare these days. Even if it exists, the lyrics might not be something that I enjoy. So I just write my own lyrics, decides on the melodies, and put it to AI to create a polished version. Do I feel emotional when I listen to it? Of course, its my own lyrics that I wrote. Of course I sing along with it because its the melodies I chose. And its even more emotional because I relate to it. Someone can create some songs with billion listeners and emotional for others, but if it doesn’t relate to me. What am I supposed to feel? My listener wont be able to relate with me personally because they don’t know me. But they might be able to resonates with my songs because it triggers specific memories or emotions for them. And for me that’s enough. Let the songs be the one that they resonates with.

shevy-java 4mo ago
That's actually a bit creepy to me. How do you deal with a lack of novelty factor here though? Because ultimately, if you yourself generate all music you listen to, how could anything be surprising? I often listen to songs that surprise me in one way or another.
- imp0cat 4mo ago
  Does it really have to be suprising? Some people already have a life full of surprises (read: stress). Comforting music can help with that.
  - textadventure 4mo ago
    That's like saying that in order to not be stressed you can only read books that you write yourself. Are we seriously going to act like any of this is normal or healthy?
    - galkk 4mo ago
      Your analogy doesn’t make any sense.

svachalek 4mo ago

Not entirely comparable, but it's easier to find in Korea. "I do" by I-dle [formerly (G)I-dle] for example, has a wonderful 80s sound.

HDBaseT 4mo ago

There is plenty of artists making music analogous to 80's and 90's classics. Not to mention millions of 80's and 90's songs she's never heard. I constantly find myself discovering new 90s Boombap, Hip Hop beats and tracks from underground artists. Unfortunately a ton of these aren't on Spotify, although they exist on YouTube in near endless capacity. A lot of my favorite songs of all time aren't great just because they sound nice, but they are great because they have immense meaning. Alice in Chains is one of the all time greatest bands and their lyrical messaging means so much, with the passing of Layne from a drug overdose the songs have a raw, visceral feeling. Many of their songs are explaining the struggle, they are deeply personal. That is lost with AI Music.

dahrkael 4mo ago
elevator music doesnt need any deep meaning
- 1718627440 4mo ago
  Elevators don't need any music at all.
  - redsocksfan45 4mo ago
    [dead]
  - Gander5739 4mo ago
    Our basest beggars are in the poorest thing superfluous.
galkk 4mo ago
What is the problem if somebody doesn’t seek the deep meaning or anything and enjoys whatever she enjoys? Plenty of artists plain suck and discovery is a problem that requires time and effort. If somebody makes decision to like what they like (and made, to some extent) that’s their choice.
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cameronh90 4mo ago

I have no issue with individuals choosing to listen to generative AI. I even occasionally listen to it myself when I’m deep working and just need to occupy that part of my brain (having previously listened to algorithmically generated music or those endless copyright free trance mixes for the same purpose). But I don’t like how it’s flooding discovery platforms to the point that it gets impossible to wade through slop and find actual bands that I could see in person. It’s like when Etsy turned into a Made in China marketplace. MIC is fine, but if I’m going to Etsy it’s because I wanted something else.

me551ah 4mo ago

Even for making new music Suno is a godsend. My workflow has changed from making a whole track to just creating some nice loops with my favorite VSTs and asking Suno the rest. I get a song in the exact BPM and style that I wanted, while saving me a ton of time.

CalRobert 4mo ago

The Midnight are a pretty fun modern eighties band!

paul7986 4mo ago

Same as i almost only listen to my own AI Slop yet Ive wrote melodies/lyrics since a kid. Ive always recorded my guitar or keyboard along with my vocal (terrible singer here) track then mixed it in GarageBand and exported each song as an MP3. Now in 2025/2026 I feed my MP3s of my songs to Suno and they sound pro. Also, they have a ton more meaning to me then anyone elses songs. I dont care if others listen to my slop its mine and again more meaningful then all others music. AI Music is changing music habits ...your friend and myself arent the only ones https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/937059/nobody-wants-to-tell-me-why-they-only-listen-their-own-suno-slop https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/937059/n.... Give it ten years or so and i bet the Taylor Swifts type acts and the big music industry machine wont be as celebrated.

poink 4mo ago

The 80s and 90s were pretty much the golden age of music production in terms of breadth and sheer volume. This is the distilled essence of a “first world problem.”

pattle 4mo ago

This is interesting. I think AI music will be massive in a few years. It makes sense to listen to music made just for you by a model that knows you. You're bound to feel more emotion from that than trying to relate to something that wasn't written about you

listenallyall 4mo ago
I think its the exact opposite. One of the best features of art, in any form, is that it offers different perspectives, viewpoints, ideas. Think of how many people changed something major in their life due to a song, a movie, a photograph. Now think of how little would happen if AI just repeated back what "it knows" you already like. Your entire life would just be a derivative of things you liked as a 6-year old. Nothing new, nothing challenging, nothing fresh.
wiseowise 4mo ago
> I think AI music will be massive in a few years. Massive like Temu/AliExpress products massive.
delis-thumbs-7e 4mo ago
> made just for you by a model that knows you It “knows” nothing. It has a database of tokens you have given it to generate more tokens, constantly turning toward meaningless averages unless you steer it strong. Technically speaking any Meta or Google algorithm “knows you” better. I am not religious, but I can connect into some desire for spiritual, salvation and purity in Allegri’s Miserere. I am not Catholic, I oppose many things Catholic church stands for and I certainly was not alive in .italy in 17th century, but still across the time I can share this common experience of humanity that is completely separate of my own. It is something only art can do. Without that art is just another narcissistic social media wank inherently without meaning.
- frozenseven 4mo ago
  >nothing >meaningless >narcissistic >wank Cool insults. But my lying eyes and ears still say that AI knows me pretty well and is bringing plenty of value to my life.

clockdiv 4mo ago

I wonder about the social aspect. People growing up with listening exclusively to their own AI-generated music will never dance together and scream to the same old songs, even if it just became “bad taste”. Its such a huge part of our culture that they will just miss. Same goes of course to all other parts of arts and culture. A good start to read is „ The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction“ by Walter Benjamin.

bilekas 4mo ago

> New music almost always targets young people. Hard disagree, there is just music people make because it's what they want to make, if all you're looking at is the top 10/pop radio music, yes it will be tailored for the largest market but by no means is there a conspiracy to only accomodate the 'young people'.

jeltz 4mo ago

Plenty of people? There are gigs every week in my city by bands who make music in 80s and 90s genres and many of them still make new music, some of it really good. And you can usually find it at both Bandcamp and Spotify.

jongjong 4mo ago

I'm in a similar boat. I don't like modern music. I was never a big music fan TBH though I did like a few really good pieces from my day. That said I never cared much for lyrics because I didn't find them relatable. I'm only interested in the tune... I like lyrics but only for the audio properties of the words; literally, I like the sound of human vocal chords. The way I use Suno is sometimes I play Ukulele and discover a tune I like; I record it and generate a song from it. I didn't take any music lessons. I'm 100% self-taught so my recordings are a little rough but the melody comes through and Suno polishes it up nicely and adds lyrics based on a topic I've been thinking about. I find both the creation and listening aspects relaxing and therapeutic. I'm not a musician so Suno is the only way I could actually produce and finish a song. It's very clearly my melodies, my songs but it's enjoyable to hear them as a finished product. There is definitely an element of surprise, the lyrics are sometimes quite insightful and clever too and I can actually start appreciating the poetic aspect of music in a way which eluded me before. I suspect that by the time most musicians finish refining and producing their own songs, without AI, they're probably tired of hearing it. Suno avoids that. It's a truly novel thing to be both a producer and consumer of your own music. Perfect for an introvert like me who can't relate to anyone except himself. It's nice to see that some other people also like my pieces though I'm not trying to make a career out of it.

wiseowise 4mo ago

> All in genres and styles of songs from her era, the 80s and 90s. Who else is going to make new songs for her? How much music do you even need? Is she listening 24/7?

drngdds 4mo ago

>Who else is going to make new songs for her? Lots of artists! They are not even remotely hard to find. They are literally a google search away. Typing stuff into Suno because you can't be bothered to search "new artists that sound 90s" is crazy

mr-wendel 4mo ago

Gotta plug nightride.fm as an online station that is fully fueled by artist-submitted, non-AI music. It's all 80s/synth-inspired with one main channel, but there are more niche channels (e.g. chillwave is a popular one) too. The site itself is also a real pleasure to stumble upon. I'm not affiliated with it, nor am I against AI-generated music. Just a huge fan who admires the hard work people pour into making the scene work.

mikhailfranco 4mo ago

A long-form critique of Suno by a musician/producer: Suno, AI Music, and the Bad Future | Adam Neely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8dcFhF0Dlk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8dcFhF0Dlk A detailed philosophical discussion of his point=of-view: AI Music is Not Music - Adam Neely | Alex O'Connor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbv0iX_EyLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbv0iX_EyLM