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So then by your arguments above, you're good with California leaving since they'd be a G6 nation on their own? Because as you would might say: I'm sure this Ca

So then by your arguments above, you're good with California leaving since they'd be a G6 nation on their own? Because as you would might say: I'm sure this Canadian government would love to see an "independent" California.

petcat 5mo ago
Texas has entertained the idea of seceding for 150 years. And they would be a G7 country if they did. But they would have to fight a war to do it. USA already went through this once. The only thing really stopping Alberta from leaving is whether or not BC, Ontario, and Quebec are willing to fight a war to stop it. And that gets a lot more complicated if the US also wants Alberta to go independent....
- dessimus 5mo ago
  I'm gonna go out on a limb and say if Canada wasn't willing to let Quebec leave, and they've tried with significantly more effort than Alberta ever has, then they're not going to let Alberta go.
- stackghost 5mo ago
  >The only thing really stopping Alberta from leaving is whether or not BC, Ontario, and Quebec are willing to fight a war to stop it. Unlike the individual US states, Alberta never joined Canada. It was not an entity that existed prior to Canada's confederation. Alberta was basically pencil-whipped into existence by carving out a chunk of an already existing territory (the Northwest Territory). Despite American and Russian destabilization campaigns in Canada, there is no legal mechanism by which Canadian provinces can unilaterally secede. >And that gets a lot more complicated if the US also wants Alberta to go independent.... Recent past polling overwhelmingly showed Albertans in favor of remaining in Canada. This latest frenzy is widely known to be a foreign influence operation.
  - petcat 5mo ago
    > there is no legal mechanism by which Canadian provinces can unilaterally secede Legal? Who's laws? Albertans can just declare that they don't respect Ottawa's authority, right? Guns and bullets are the only "legal" currency. It's not paperwork.
    - stackghost 5mo ago
      >Albertans can just declare that they don't respect Ottawa's authority, right? Sure, but just like nobody gives a shit about what Sovereign Citizens do or do not respect, such a declaration would only carry weight if there are enough people that want to mount an armed rebellion. And despite what American influence operations would have you believe, there simply aren't. Most Albertans want to remain in Canada.
    - jleyank 5mo ago
      If Canada cuts off the money tap, that health and security bill is going to be significant.
  - swader999 5mo ago
    The implication that this somehow weakens Alberta’s constitutional status is false. Alberta is a full province under the Constitution of Canada with the same constitutional standing as the other provinces. The Supreme Court has already ruled that Canada and other provinces would be obligated to negotiate terms of separation should a province ever vote to leave in a clear referendum. Yes, support for leaving is probably at 10-20%. Just having the referendum will build the infrastructure and political machinery for keeping it alive for a long time from the first try. I live here and I'm not a fan of Smith for encouraging it at all.
    - stackghost 5mo ago
      >The implication that this somehow weakens Alberta’s constitutional status is false. I implied no such thing. In fact I was careful to use the term "unilaterally" when referring to secession. My understanding is doing it properly would require a full constitutional amendment.
- selectodude 5mo ago
  Texas would be a G7 nation for about a week if they seceded from the US. Being the logistics hub for a country only works if you’re part of that country.
  - nxm 5mo ago
    It’s just a logistics hub? Are you ignoring the oil and natural gas that’s supplying the world these days?
    - selectodude 5mo ago
      I have a feeling Mexico wouldn’t torpedo their relationship with the United States by continuing to buy all their oil from Texas.
- bryanlarsen 5mo ago
  The instant Alberta secedes from Canada, the Indigenous would secede all unceded Treaty land from the independent Alberta. Which includes all of the tar sands, the source of Alberta's wealth. Canada might not be willing to fight, but the Indigenous probably are.
  - petcat 5mo ago
    > but the Indigenous probably are None of this matters in this context. The indiginous people literally do not matter. It's bad, but it's just how it is when white Europeans start fighting over land in North America. We have 3 centuries of evidence.
- swader999 5mo ago
  We already have a clause in our constitution to allow for orderly withdrawal from Canada. We'd have to resolve the first Nations angle which would probably be more of a hurdle.

petcat 5mo ago

Texas has entertained the idea of seceding for 150 years. And they would be a G7 country if they did. But they would have to fight a war to do it. USA already went through this once. The only thing really stopping Alberta from leaving is whether or not BC, Ontario, and Quebec are willing to fight a war to stop it. And that gets a lot more complicated if the US also wants Alberta to go independent....

dessimus 5mo ago
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say if Canada wasn't willing to let Quebec leave, and they've tried with significantly more effort than Alberta ever has, then they're not going to let Alberta go.
stackghost 5mo ago
>The only thing really stopping Alberta from leaving is whether or not BC, Ontario, and Quebec are willing to fight a war to stop it. Unlike the individual US states, Alberta never joined Canada. It was not an entity that existed prior to Canada's confederation. Alberta was basically pencil-whipped into existence by carving out a chunk of an already existing territory (the Northwest Territory). Despite American and Russian destabilization campaigns in Canada, there is no legal mechanism by which Canadian provinces can unilaterally secede. >And that gets a lot more complicated if the US also wants Alberta to go independent.... Recent past polling overwhelmingly showed Albertans in favor of remaining in Canada. This latest frenzy is widely known to be a foreign influence operation.
- petcat 5mo ago
  > there is no legal mechanism by which Canadian provinces can unilaterally secede Legal? Who's laws? Albertans can just declare that they don't respect Ottawa's authority, right? Guns and bullets are the only "legal" currency. It's not paperwork.
  - stackghost 5mo ago
    >Albertans can just declare that they don't respect Ottawa's authority, right? Sure, but just like nobody gives a shit about what Sovereign Citizens do or do not respect, such a declaration would only carry weight if there are enough people that want to mount an armed rebellion. And despite what American influence operations would have you believe, there simply aren't. Most Albertans want to remain in Canada.
  - jleyank 5mo ago
    If Canada cuts off the money tap, that health and security bill is going to be significant.
- swader999 5mo ago
  The implication that this somehow weakens Alberta’s constitutional status is false. Alberta is a full province under the Constitution of Canada with the same constitutional standing as the other provinces. The Supreme Court has already ruled that Canada and other provinces would be obligated to negotiate terms of separation should a province ever vote to leave in a clear referendum. Yes, support for leaving is probably at 10-20%. Just having the referendum will build the infrastructure and political machinery for keeping it alive for a long time from the first try. I live here and I'm not a fan of Smith for encouraging it at all.
  - stackghost 5mo ago
    >The implication that this somehow weakens Alberta’s constitutional status is false. I implied no such thing. In fact I was careful to use the term "unilaterally" when referring to secession. My understanding is doing it properly would require a full constitutional amendment.
selectodude 5mo ago
Texas would be a G7 nation for about a week if they seceded from the US. Being the logistics hub for a country only works if you’re part of that country.
- nxm 5mo ago
  It’s just a logistics hub? Are you ignoring the oil and natural gas that’s supplying the world these days?
  - selectodude 5mo ago
    I have a feeling Mexico wouldn’t torpedo their relationship with the United States by continuing to buy all their oil from Texas.
bryanlarsen 5mo ago
The instant Alberta secedes from Canada, the Indigenous would secede all unceded Treaty land from the independent Alberta. Which includes all of the tar sands, the source of Alberta's wealth. Canada might not be willing to fight, but the Indigenous probably are.
- petcat 5mo ago
  > but the Indigenous probably are None of this matters in this context. The indiginous people literally do not matter. It's bad, but it's just how it is when white Europeans start fighting over land in North America. We have 3 centuries of evidence.
swader999 5mo ago
We already have a clause in our constitution to allow for orderly withdrawal from Canada. We'd have to resolve the first Nations angle which would probably be more of a hurdle.