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Donning my tinfoil hat for a moment, YouTube is in a position here to simultaneously iterate on automatic AI video detection while also working out how to make

Donning my tinfoil hat for a moment, YouTube is in a position here to simultaneously iterate on automatic AI video detection while also working out how to make AI generated video that's impossible to detect.

hungryhobbit 5mo ago
"AI generated video that's impossible to detect" is already something many companies are working on; it's hardly Google-specific.
- FloorEgg 5mo ago
  YouTube scale is Google specific
- nicce 5mo ago
  It already is quite impossible. Just generate something decent with lower quality. Then maybe take screen recording of the output. Voila.
  - justinator 5mo ago
    Then "low-quality for no reason in year the 2026 and beyond where phones shoot at 8k" become part of the heuristics.
    - Ukv 5mo ago
      Would be a fairly weak heuristic, with most social media images/videos already being like that.
      - justinator 5mo ago
        Being pedantic for no reason is one of the heuristics I use to judge how annoying yn users are
    - oblio 5mo ago
      I find it super ironic that we're basically here: https://xkcd.com/1683/ https://xkcd.com/1683/ now. The 90s and 00s tech people would be very disappointed :-))
tombert 5mo ago
Isn't this literally how GANNs are trained?
scoofy 5mo ago
I think that "impossible to detect" is not something realistic if camera manufacturers are willing to start adding encryption signatures to their cameras outputs and are willing to vouch for them. I realize this would still allow fakes to be presented by governments in all likelihood, but not everyone.
- Ajedi32 5mo ago
  Who posts raw output from cameras anywhere? This doesn't seem useful outside some niche use-cases (like security camera footage). At a minimum just about every recording is going to be re-compressed for streaming.
  - paulddraper 5mo ago
    Yeah I’m not sure this makes sense when images are getting their third ifunny watermark.
  - AmbroseBierce 5mo ago
    I bet the cameras' companies will start automatically uploading the real footage to their servers for attestation, and allow the camera owners to get those links, so people will just add that link on YouTube or whatever and say "See, its real, Sony vouches for it", heck maybe they will make their buyers to sign up with YouTube and do it for them.
    - thfuran 5mo ago
      How on top of security do you think all the camera manufacturers are going to be? That is, how long until people can sign videos that were not, in fact, shot with their camera?
      - AmbroseBierce 5mo ago
        Proving that you were able to upload something that is not real would go viral so it's very attractive to people to share such findings, meaning it would not last long, then they fix it and that's it, specially because they can require you to upgrade your camera's firmware if you want to keep using their attestation service.
mkhalil 5mo ago
> "while also working out how to make AI generated video that's impossible to detect." what gives you that impression? Google is spends millions of dollars researching and implementing SynthID [0]; ensuring all videos generated have a watermark to ensure they can be detected. As well as using SynthID to detect AI-generated videos, which is what I am guessing they are using @ YT to detect and label the AI videos. I am far from a Google or AI fanboy, closer to an admiring hater, but I just don't see how they are making AI generated video impossible to detect if they are going out of the way to ensure SynthID /AI watermarks are present in any video generated on the platform. unless you mean impossible to detect by human eyes; but if that's the case, so is everyone else. except everyone else is NOT spending resources on research for watermarking and keep the detection algorithms ahead of the curve.
- AmbroseBierce 5mo ago
  Yeah, like Google doesn't know other hundreds of companies are also generating videos and will without the slightest shred of doubt will use reinforced learning to bypass this detection, meaning directly asking Google's AI if a picture they modified is AI or not to improve their algorithms, they know vouching for video is as useful as vouching for AI generated texts, zero.
smrtinsert 5mo ago
Why is that tinfoil? That's just good business?

hungryhobbit 5mo ago

"AI generated video that's impossible to detect" is already something many companies are working on; it's hardly Google-specific.

FloorEgg 5mo ago
YouTube scale is Google specific
nicce 5mo ago
It already is quite impossible. Just generate something decent with lower quality. Then maybe take screen recording of the output. Voila.
- justinator 5mo ago
  Then "low-quality for no reason in year the 2026 and beyond where phones shoot at 8k" become part of the heuristics.
  - Ukv 5mo ago
    Would be a fairly weak heuristic, with most social media images/videos already being like that.
    - justinator 5mo ago
      Being pedantic for no reason is one of the heuristics I use to judge how annoying yn users are
  - oblio 5mo ago
    I find it super ironic that we're basically here: https://xkcd.com/1683/ https://xkcd.com/1683/ now. The 90s and 00s tech people would be very disappointed :-))

tombert 5mo ago

Isn't this literally how GANNs are trained?

scoofy 5mo ago

I think that "impossible to detect" is not something realistic if camera manufacturers are willing to start adding encryption signatures to their cameras outputs and are willing to vouch for them. I realize this would still allow fakes to be presented by governments in all likelihood, but not everyone.

Ajedi32 5mo ago
Who posts raw output from cameras anywhere? This doesn't seem useful outside some niche use-cases (like security camera footage). At a minimum just about every recording is going to be re-compressed for streaming.
- paulddraper 5mo ago
  Yeah I’m not sure this makes sense when images are getting their third ifunny watermark.
- AmbroseBierce 5mo ago
  I bet the cameras' companies will start automatically uploading the real footage to their servers for attestation, and allow the camera owners to get those links, so people will just add that link on YouTube or whatever and say "See, its real, Sony vouches for it", heck maybe they will make their buyers to sign up with YouTube and do it for them.
  - thfuran 5mo ago
    How on top of security do you think all the camera manufacturers are going to be? That is, how long until people can sign videos that were not, in fact, shot with their camera?
    - AmbroseBierce 5mo ago
      Proving that you were able to upload something that is not real would go viral so it's very attractive to people to share such findings, meaning it would not last long, then they fix it and that's it, specially because they can require you to upgrade your camera's firmware if you want to keep using their attestation service.

mkhalil 5mo ago

> "while also working out how to make AI generated video that's impossible to detect." what gives you that impression? Google is spends millions of dollars researching and implementing SynthID [0]; ensuring all videos generated have a watermark to ensure they can be detected. As well as using SynthID to detect AI-generated videos, which is what I am guessing they are using @ YT to detect and label the AI videos. I am far from a Google or AI fanboy, closer to an admiring hater, but I just don't see how they are making AI generated video impossible to detect if they are going out of the way to ensure SynthID /AI watermarks are present in any video generated on the platform. unless you mean impossible to detect by human eyes; but if that's the case, so is everyone else. except everyone else is NOT spending resources on research for watermarking and keep the detection algorithms ahead of the curve.

AmbroseBierce 5mo ago
Yeah, like Google doesn't know other hundreds of companies are also generating videos and will without the slightest shred of doubt will use reinforced learning to bypass this detection, meaning directly asking Google's AI if a picture they modified is AI or not to improve their algorithms, they know vouching for video is as useful as vouching for AI generated texts, zero.

smrtinsert 5mo ago

Why is that tinfoil? That's just good business?