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Yeah what a shame. I never claimed that it didn't lower the chances of side effects. This is what was claimed. "You become a dead end to the virus." — Fauci,

Yeah what a shame. I never claimed that it didn't lower the chances of side effects. This is what was claimed. "You become a dead end to the virus." — Fauci, 2021 This was the reality "[Vaccines against respiratory viruses produce] decidedly suboptimal protection." — Fauci, Cell Host & Microbe journal article, 2023 "The durability of protection against infection and hence transmission was relatively limited." — Fauci, 2024 congressional testimony Anybody that questioned the religious dogma that the vaccines were super effective and that healthy people needed to get endless boosters were crucified and in many cases, fired from their jobs for refusing an unnecessary medical procedure.

piva00 4mo ago
I don't live in the USA, so whatever was claimed is not universal.
- protonbob 4mo ago
  Not massively lowering the chances is universal.
emj 4mo ago
There are so many things that went wrong during the pandemic. You were not lied to, that means someone has intent. The lesson was not that vaccines are bad imho. I do not live in the US, so I just find it tiresome to listen to you guys blaming everything on people. There was no right way.
- protonbob 4mo ago
  Vaccines for respiratory illnesses are bad. Even Fauci admitted so. Why do you assume good intent from the United States government when the FDA is bought and paid for by pharmaceutical companies.There was so much money to be made on specifically covid vaccines. I am not anti vax in general.
  - piva00 4mo ago
    The flu vaccine has saved countless elderly lives. You don't assume good intent from the US and its institutions, fine, but other countries also rolled out vaccines, are they all bought and paid by pharma companies? Is that really the argument?
    - protonbob 4mo ago
      Yes exactly. They are great for immunocompromised people. Much less so for healthy people. Which is why it should have been an option and not mandatory.
      - piva00 4mo ago
        Herd immunity depends on the most amount of people being vaccinated, it's a numbers game, lowered chances of contracting the disease among the vaccinated translates into dwindling chances for spread. Just look at measles, to stop spreading it to children who cannot take the vaccine due to other health issues you need almost every children that can be vaccinated to be vaccinated, otherwise the disease spreads. It's not a really hard concept to grasp. It was crisis time, you don't get to play with lives at that point due to your individualistic convictions.
        protonbob 4mo ago
        A measles vaccine is actually effective at containing the spread. People with natural immunity should not have been required to get a vaccine for something they were already inoculated for and had immunity that was greater than what you could get from the vaccines
        piva00 4mo ago
        There was no way to trust someone saying "I have natural immunity, I had COVID" when the crisis was happening, even more given how it was used politically to fan the flames for political gain. Stop thinking about individuals, think about systems, and societies. Given that people were refusing basic instructions (keeping distance, for example); that people dying of COVID in a hospital didn't believe the disease was real due to political influences; how do you think governments and their healthcare systems would be able to track if someone had natural immunity or not? There's no way, the only answer is: vaccinate as many people as possible to cover for uncertainties. Again, it's a numbers game, in a fast moving crisis there's no opening for individualised actions, you are part of a larger whole and the larger whole required for people to get vaccinate to stamp off the crisis.
triceratops 4mo ago
I would've been ok with not forcing healthy people to get vaccinated, if they agreed to not seek treatment in case they got Covid.
- protonbob 4mo ago
  Natural immunity was just as strong as getting vaccinated though despite what you might have been told. "All of the included studies found at least statistical equivalence between the protection of full vaccination and natural immunity; and three studies found superiority of natural immunity" --Shenai, Rahme & Noorchashm — Cureus / PubMed, October 2021
  - triceratops 4mo ago
    Well then you don't need treatment for Covid, right? Stay natural.
  - alchemism 4mo ago
    Cull the human herd because Bob is too much of an individual to participate. An ironic solution.

piva00 4mo ago

I don't live in the USA, so whatever was claimed is not universal.

protonbob 4mo ago
Not massively lowering the chances is universal.

emj 4mo ago

There are so many things that went wrong during the pandemic. You were not lied to, that means someone has intent. The lesson was not that vaccines are bad imho. I do not live in the US, so I just find it tiresome to listen to you guys blaming everything on people. There was no right way.

protonbob 4mo ago
Vaccines for respiratory illnesses are bad. Even Fauci admitted so. Why do you assume good intent from the United States government when the FDA is bought and paid for by pharmaceutical companies.There was so much money to be made on specifically covid vaccines. I am not anti vax in general.
- piva00 4mo ago
  The flu vaccine has saved countless elderly lives. You don't assume good intent from the US and its institutions, fine, but other countries also rolled out vaccines, are they all bought and paid by pharma companies? Is that really the argument?
  - protonbob 4mo ago
    Yes exactly. They are great for immunocompromised people. Much less so for healthy people. Which is why it should have been an option and not mandatory.
    - piva00 4mo ago
      Herd immunity depends on the most amount of people being vaccinated, it's a numbers game, lowered chances of contracting the disease among the vaccinated translates into dwindling chances for spread. Just look at measles, to stop spreading it to children who cannot take the vaccine due to other health issues you need almost every children that can be vaccinated to be vaccinated, otherwise the disease spreads. It's not a really hard concept to grasp. It was crisis time, you don't get to play with lives at that point due to your individualistic convictions.
      - protonbob 4mo ago
        A measles vaccine is actually effective at containing the spread. People with natural immunity should not have been required to get a vaccine for something they were already inoculated for and had immunity that was greater than what you could get from the vaccines
        piva00 4mo ago
        There was no way to trust someone saying "I have natural immunity, I had COVID" when the crisis was happening, even more given how it was used politically to fan the flames for political gain. Stop thinking about individuals, think about systems, and societies. Given that people were refusing basic instructions (keeping distance, for example); that people dying of COVID in a hospital didn't believe the disease was real due to political influences; how do you think governments and their healthcare systems would be able to track if someone had natural immunity or not? There's no way, the only answer is: vaccinate as many people as possible to cover for uncertainties. Again, it's a numbers game, in a fast moving crisis there's no opening for individualised actions, you are part of a larger whole and the larger whole required for people to get vaccinate to stamp off the crisis.

triceratops 4mo ago

I would've been ok with not forcing healthy people to get vaccinated, if they agreed to not seek treatment in case they got Covid.

protonbob 4mo ago
Natural immunity was just as strong as getting vaccinated though despite what you might have been told. "All of the included studies found at least statistical equivalence between the protection of full vaccination and natural immunity; and three studies found superiority of natural immunity" --Shenai, Rahme & Noorchashm — Cureus / PubMed, October 2021
- triceratops 4mo ago
  Well then you don't need treatment for Covid, right? Stay natural.
- alchemism 4mo ago
  Cull the human herd because Bob is too much of an individual to participate. An ironic solution.