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> The UI of that page is so nice Is it? Seems a text description of "Make a website outlining 'How cooked GitHub' is with a modern style" to basically any LLM

> The UI of that page is so nice Is it? Seems a text description of "Make a website outlining 'How cooked GitHub' is with a modern style" to basically any LLM would produce exactly that UI and design, literally nothing of that design a human had any influence on, besides the ones selecting what training data the used LLMs was trained with. I think most of us who've tried using LLMs for web-design can recognize that style and design at this point, regardless of model actually used.

olmo23 5mo ago
What really grinds my gears is how easy it is to get better designs out of LLMs. But if you don't ask, you get the default.
- hansmayer 5mo ago
  Here is a provocative thought - maybe these are the so-called "better designs" from LLMs? It's not like writing English sentences is some huge secret you are sitting on that no one else knows.
  - embedding-shape 5mo ago
    > It's not like writing English sentences is some huge secret you are sitting on that no one else knows. I'd actually say what really makes an excellent engineer stick out among many great engineers, is their ability to communicate clearly and knowing what needs to be communicated vs not, basically being way better at language and communication in general, and they also understand the important of it.
    - hansmayer 5mo ago
      I agree. But I was talking about the "super secret" ability to write prompts, which pretty much anyone can do.
      - embedding-shape 5mo ago
        My point being that not everyone writes as good prompts as everyone else, the way you communicate, how clearly and how exact you are matters a lot, much more than you seemingly is under the impression of. Same goes with the "LLM does web design" example from before, a web designer with great communication skills in web design, will (naturally) have a better prompt for something that'll potentially could look good, compared to a web designer that isn't at good at communicating what they actually want.
- drdrey 5mo ago
  as someone who doesn't know how to get better design out of LLMs, can you elaborate?
  - embedding-shape 5mo ago
    Have an opinion on the design, imagine something, then tell it to do just that, then iterate. It's when you're unspecific you get the generic, bland and typical LLM design, you just have to be subjective and influence it in some (human) direction.
  - lbindreiter 5mo ago
    Also check out https://impeccable.style/ https://impeccable.style/, it's really good
- agos 5mo ago
  what would you ask to get a better design?
  - ctdinjeu5 5mo ago
    [dead]
- taintlord223 5mo ago
  Outside design systems I rarely get good CSS from LLMs. 3D type stuff too, it's useless outside boilerplate. Very little spatial reasoning training, no end-user subjective reasoning inference (Google is starting to though even in unrelated chats), so it's no surprise the LLM doesn't know what you want. Since I don't even know what I want half the time until I saw it, the subjective reasoning piece is key - that is, being able to predict what I'll want to pretty good accuracy. Then you have your agents etc.
angrydev 5mo ago
Compared to near unusable pages that large organizations produce, yes this page is highly effective at conveying information. Who cares how it was produced?
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  > Who cares how it was produced? Well, we're at least two people who care, since we were conversing about how good/bad the webdesign is, then you jumped in here :) If you don't care, why bother to reply to people who seemingly do care? What kind of conversation are you expecting here, "Yeah, do tooo"? :|
  - hugey010 5mo ago
    Could you explain why you care?
    - applfanboysbgon 5mo ago
      A lack of effort put into presentation is a signal for low quality. In the past, this might've manifested in using default Wordpress templates, and now it manifests as stock LLM templates instead. Can you make high quality content and present it on a stock template? Sure, you can, but without any prior reason to believe that you put more effort into the content than the template, I'm liable to believe the content is LLM-generated slop as well and therefore untrustworthy and not worth my time. In this case, it appears more effort was put into content than presentation, which is a possibility and the creator is in the comments saying as such, but humans operate on heuristics by default. The majority of sites that look like this have been a complete waste of my time and I usually just click away at this point.
    - embedding-shape 5mo ago
      Why I care about understanding people who think differently than me? I don't know, always did, not sure exactly why, always been interesting to understand people's perspectives, especially when I personally feel differently, tends to help myself understand me better too, so it's basically a win-win to get people to explain their reasoning.
Hamuko 5mo ago
The Bootstrap of 2020s.
- sunrunner 5mo ago
  At least Boostrap pages were readable ;)
gen220 5mo ago
Oh wow, I'm in the position to be able to give a peek behind the curtain of something (validly!!) critiqued as AI slop! Exciting. I originally made the core data functionality of this site for myself because I was curious what the uptime stats for each service were (I build something that heavily depends on GitHub), and to viz the distribution/severity of those incidents, again per-service, over time. It involved a lot of back-and-forth, and is not a one-shotter; maybe closer to 40-50 shots over maybe ~10 hours of human time. A couple memorable things that made it complicated, irrespective of the UI: sneaky bugs around double-counting time for overlapping incidents, no GitHub API for incidents so you need to puppeteer-scrape the backlog of incidents to get historical data. Although, you all are right to call out that the CSS was three shots, though, and it shows :) I thought it looked so cool in ~January 2026 and now it gives me the ick, too! For people who are curious about how much direction went into the information architecture/presentation, it was fairly substantial. I wanted a contribution graph style viz and it took many turns to get it working the way I wanted. The swimlane viz for selected-day-incident visualization was also me, because I love swimlane graphs. I ended up sharing it with some folks and they wanted to reference it, so I put it on a website. So it's jokey for sure, but I take my jokes seriously! I'm grateful that people have feedback on how it can better functionally and visually :)
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  > Although, you all are right to call out that the CSS was three shots, though, and it shows :) Totally, my comment was all about the styling and design literally, and is in no way a comment about the data or actual contents of the website, hope you didn't take it that way as well, as it does seem proper in that regard! Thank you for sharing it, and even greater thank you for sharing the process behind building it, for me that's more interesting almost :)

olmo23 5mo ago

What really grinds my gears is how easy it is to get better designs out of LLMs. But if you don't ask, you get the default.

hansmayer 5mo ago
Here is a provocative thought - maybe these are the so-called "better designs" from LLMs? It's not like writing English sentences is some huge secret you are sitting on that no one else knows.
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  > It's not like writing English sentences is some huge secret you are sitting on that no one else knows. I'd actually say what really makes an excellent engineer stick out among many great engineers, is their ability to communicate clearly and knowing what needs to be communicated vs not, basically being way better at language and communication in general, and they also understand the important of it.
  - hansmayer 5mo ago
    I agree. But I was talking about the "super secret" ability to write prompts, which pretty much anyone can do.
    - embedding-shape 5mo ago
      My point being that not everyone writes as good prompts as everyone else, the way you communicate, how clearly and how exact you are matters a lot, much more than you seemingly is under the impression of. Same goes with the "LLM does web design" example from before, a web designer with great communication skills in web design, will (naturally) have a better prompt for something that'll potentially could look good, compared to a web designer that isn't at good at communicating what they actually want.
drdrey 5mo ago
as someone who doesn't know how to get better design out of LLMs, can you elaborate?
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  Have an opinion on the design, imagine something, then tell it to do just that, then iterate. It's when you're unspecific you get the generic, bland and typical LLM design, you just have to be subjective and influence it in some (human) direction.
- lbindreiter 5mo ago
  Also check out https://impeccable.style/ https://impeccable.style/, it's really good
agos 5mo ago
what would you ask to get a better design?
- ctdinjeu5 5mo ago
  [dead]
taintlord223 5mo ago
Outside design systems I rarely get good CSS from LLMs. 3D type stuff too, it's useless outside boilerplate. Very little spatial reasoning training, no end-user subjective reasoning inference (Google is starting to though even in unrelated chats), so it's no surprise the LLM doesn't know what you want. Since I don't even know what I want half the time until I saw it, the subjective reasoning piece is key - that is, being able to predict what I'll want to pretty good accuracy. Then you have your agents etc.

angrydev 5mo ago

Compared to near unusable pages that large organizations produce, yes this page is highly effective at conveying information. Who cares how it was produced?

embedding-shape 5mo ago
> Who cares how it was produced? Well, we're at least two people who care, since we were conversing about how good/bad the webdesign is, then you jumped in here :) If you don't care, why bother to reply to people who seemingly do care? What kind of conversation are you expecting here, "Yeah, do tooo"? :|
- hugey010 5mo ago
  Could you explain why you care?
  - applfanboysbgon 5mo ago
    A lack of effort put into presentation is a signal for low quality. In the past, this might've manifested in using default Wordpress templates, and now it manifests as stock LLM templates instead. Can you make high quality content and present it on a stock template? Sure, you can, but without any prior reason to believe that you put more effort into the content than the template, I'm liable to believe the content is LLM-generated slop as well and therefore untrustworthy and not worth my time. In this case, it appears more effort was put into content than presentation, which is a possibility and the creator is in the comments saying as such, but humans operate on heuristics by default. The majority of sites that look like this have been a complete waste of my time and I usually just click away at this point.
  - embedding-shape 5mo ago
    Why I care about understanding people who think differently than me? I don't know, always did, not sure exactly why, always been interesting to understand people's perspectives, especially when I personally feel differently, tends to help myself understand me better too, so it's basically a win-win to get people to explain their reasoning.

Hamuko 5mo ago

The Bootstrap of 2020s.

sunrunner 5mo ago
At least Boostrap pages were readable ;)

gen220 5mo ago

Oh wow, I'm in the position to be able to give a peek behind the curtain of something (validly!!) critiqued as AI slop! Exciting. I originally made the core data functionality of this site for myself because I was curious what the uptime stats for each service were (I build something that heavily depends on GitHub), and to viz the distribution/severity of those incidents, again per-service, over time. It involved a lot of back-and-forth, and is not a one-shotter; maybe closer to 40-50 shots over maybe ~10 hours of human time. A couple memorable things that made it complicated, irrespective of the UI: sneaky bugs around double-counting time for overlapping incidents, no GitHub API for incidents so you need to puppeteer-scrape the backlog of incidents to get historical data. Although, you all are right to call out that the CSS was three shots, though, and it shows :) I thought it looked so cool in ~January 2026 and now it gives me the ick, too! For people who are curious about how much direction went into the information architecture/presentation, it was fairly substantial. I wanted a contribution graph style viz and it took many turns to get it working the way I wanted. The swimlane viz for selected-day-incident visualization was also me, because I love swimlane graphs. I ended up sharing it with some folks and they wanted to reference it, so I put it on a website. So it's jokey for sure, but I take my jokes seriously! I'm grateful that people have feedback on how it can better functionally and visually :)

embedding-shape 5mo ago
> Although, you all are right to call out that the CSS was three shots, though, and it shows :) Totally, my comment was all about the styling and design literally, and is in no way a comment about the data or actual contents of the website, hope you didn't take it that way as well, as it does seem proper in that regard! Thank you for sharing it, and even greater thank you for sharing the process behind building it, for me that's more interesting almost :)