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What everyone actually cares about — new emojis! * Cracking face * Left/Right thumb sign * Monarch butterfly * Pickle * Lighthouse * Meteor * Eraser * N

What everyone actually cares about — new emojis! * Cracking face * Left/Right thumb sign * Monarch butterfly * Pickle * Lighthouse * Meteor * Eraser * Net with handle

chirsz 4mo ago
Still no seahorse
- JohnKemeny 4mo ago
  If the seahorse emoji is introduced, we will have to train new foundation models. The costs connected to the introduction of the seahorse emoji will be in the billions.
- zarzavat 4mo ago
  You're absolutely right—the seahorse emoji was added in Unicode version 19.0.0 after OpenAI purchased the Unicode Consortium and converted it to a for-profit corporation.
  - simondotau 4mo ago
    The seahorse being, of course, among the first commercial Unicode characters that require a subscription to use.
Rp8yXmdmr 4mo ago
I would be more interested if they are ever going to cancel HAN unification. Looking at their "Factors for Exclusion" list it could be summarized by "we made some mistakes in past but are sticking to it" :D
- lifthrasiir 4mo ago
  Han Unification was effectively "fixed" by Ideographic Variation Sequences, so no.
  - deleted 4mo ago
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  - account42 4mo ago
    You mean theoretically. Effectively, nothing is fixed yet.
    - lifthrasiir 4mo ago
      IVD works, theoretically and practically (recent versions of OpenType have an explicit support for them). It's not their fault that Japanese vendors have been not very quick to adopt them.
      - account42 4mo ago
        If a Japanese and Taiwanese person type things with their keyboards and end up with the same bytes for different logical characters then no things do not work practically for any practical definition of "practically".
        lifthrasiir 4mo ago
        Your argument is absurd because people don't see code---they see glyphs, and using the same code for slightly different glyphs is a non-issue when they are not interchanged. (And when they are interchanged, both would see glyphs "correct" to them anyway.) Japaneses are sensitive to Han unification only because they recognize more glyph variations (Z-variants) than what Unicode originally could, and IVS is exactly a tool for ensuring exact glyphs assuming cooperative vendors. Not to mention that Han unification was already quite weakened by source separation principles in the first place.
      - numpad0 4mo ago
        Chinese AI labs are reducing Japanese images and text out of AI models - they leave much smaller amount for text models that has to be literate in Japanese, and explicitly nuke it out of dataset for image models so that it only supports Simplified and English languages, so to avoid GIGO. I mean, making or help making sovereign AI models is nowhere near responsibilities of Unicode, but Han Unification and sort of a default-enforced IVD support is literally adding small but non-zero amount of fuel to cultural division and xenophobia perpetuate in East Asia. I doubt blaming users would work here.
- extraduder_ire 4mo ago
  Cancel how? There's documents encoded like that which would break it it were changed now. Unicode takes backward compatibility like this very seriously.
wongarsu 4mo ago
Other great additions: - Left and Right parenthesis with middle ring [1] - A wiggly exclamation mark expressing mirth or laughter [1] (edit: and something I completely missed: the inverted version can express sarcasm) - Cuneiform numerals, including lots of arranged dots that might be useful in other contexts [2] - New variations of "measured angle" and "sector" [3] - A transparent cube and a white cube [4] Also a couple new combining marks And for anyone who wants to see what the reference images for the new emojis look like: Lighthouse: https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1F680.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1F680.p... Other new Emojis: https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1FA70.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1FA70.p... 1: https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-2E00.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-2E00.pd... 2: https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-12550.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-12550.p... 3: https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1CEC0.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1CEC0.p... 4: https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1F780.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1F780.p...
BadBadJellyBean 4mo ago
I need a table emoji because then I could combine it with a horse emoji. This would be "Pferd Tisch" (Horse Table) in German which sounds similar to "Fertig" which translates to "done". Yes I want it only for that dumb joke.
Symbiote 4mo ago
Does anyone know why a monarch butterfly was added, when there is already a butterfly emoji?
pentamassiv 4mo ago
Sadly it looks like it will be a dead monarch butterfly https://www.emilydamstra.com/please-enough-dead-butterflies/ https://www.emilydamstra.com/please-enough-dead-butterflies/

What everyone actually cares about — new emojis! * Cracking face * Left/Right thumb sign * Monarch butterfly * Pickle * Lighthouse * Meteor * Eraser * Net with handle

chirsz 4mo ago

Still no seahorse

JohnKemeny 4mo ago
If the seahorse emoji is introduced, we will have to train new foundation models. The costs connected to the introduction of the seahorse emoji will be in the billions.
zarzavat 4mo ago
You're absolutely right—the seahorse emoji was added in Unicode version 19.0.0 after OpenAI purchased the Unicode Consortium and converted it to a for-profit corporation.
- simondotau 4mo ago
  The seahorse being, of course, among the first commercial Unicode characters that require a subscription to use.

Rp8yXmdmr 4mo ago

I would be more interested if they are ever going to cancel HAN unification. Looking at their "Factors for Exclusion" list it could be summarized by "we made some mistakes in past but are sticking to it" :D

lifthrasiir 4mo ago
Han Unification was effectively "fixed" by Ideographic Variation Sequences, so no.
- deleted 4mo ago
  [deleted]
- account42 4mo ago
  You mean theoretically. Effectively, nothing is fixed yet.
  - lifthrasiir 4mo ago
    IVD works, theoretically and practically (recent versions of OpenType have an explicit support for them). It's not their fault that Japanese vendors have been not very quick to adopt them.
    - account42 4mo ago
      If a Japanese and Taiwanese person type things with their keyboards and end up with the same bytes for different logical characters then no things do not work practically for any practical definition of "practically".
      - lifthrasiir 4mo ago
        Your argument is absurd because people don't see code---they see glyphs, and using the same code for slightly different glyphs is a non-issue when they are not interchanged. (And when they are interchanged, both would see glyphs "correct" to them anyway.) Japaneses are sensitive to Han unification only because they recognize more glyph variations (Z-variants) than what Unicode originally could, and IVS is exactly a tool for ensuring exact glyphs assuming cooperative vendors. Not to mention that Han unification was already quite weakened by source separation principles in the first place.
    - numpad0 4mo ago
      Chinese AI labs are reducing Japanese images and text out of AI models - they leave much smaller amount for text models that has to be literate in Japanese, and explicitly nuke it out of dataset for image models so that it only supports Simplified and English languages, so to avoid GIGO. I mean, making or help making sovereign AI models is nowhere near responsibilities of Unicode, but Han Unification and sort of a default-enforced IVD support is literally adding small but non-zero amount of fuel to cultural division and xenophobia perpetuate in East Asia. I doubt blaming users would work here.
extraduder_ire 4mo ago
Cancel how? There's documents encoded like that which would break it it were changed now. Unicode takes backward compatibility like this very seriously.

wongarsu 4mo ago

Other great additions: - Left and Right parenthesis with middle ring [1] - A wiggly exclamation mark expressing mirth or laughter [1] (edit: and something I completely missed: the inverted version can express sarcasm) - Cuneiform numerals, including lots of arranged dots that might be useful in other contexts [2] - New variations of "measured angle" and "sector" [3] - A transparent cube and a white cube [4] Also a couple new combining marks And for anyone who wants to see what the reference images for the new emojis look like: Lighthouse: https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1F680.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1F680.p... Other new Emojis: https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1FA70.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1FA70.p... 1: https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-2E00.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-2E00.pd... 2: https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-12550.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-12550.p... 3: https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1CEC0.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1CEC0.p... 4: https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1F780.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-18.0/U180-1F780.p...

BadBadJellyBean 4mo ago

I need a table emoji because then I could combine it with a horse emoji. This would be "Pferd Tisch" (Horse Table) in German which sounds similar to "Fertig" which translates to "done". Yes I want it only for that dumb joke.

Symbiote 4mo ago

Does anyone know why a monarch butterfly was added, when there is already a butterfly emoji?

pentamassiv 4mo ago

Sadly it looks like it will be a dead monarch butterfly https://www.emilydamstra.com/please-enough-dead-butterflies/ https://www.emilydamstra.com/please-enough-dead-butterflies/