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ChatGPT (the setting is shared with Codex) and Claude (shared with Claude Code) also have sharing enabled by default, so why aren't they cheaper?
by Tiberium 5mo ago
ChatGPT (the setting is shared with Codex) and Claude (shared with Claude Code) also have sharing enabled by default, so why aren't they cheaper?
- koteelok 5mo agoThey are? They give away thousands of dollars via subs.
- Springtime 5mo agoThere's evidence various third-party models (including Deepseek) used distilling in training, based on models from those leading services. So they have more flexibility with pricing.
- behnamoh 5mo agoSo? And Anthropic/OpenAI literally stole copyrighted content to train their models.
- Springtime 5mo agoThe point was that distilling based on others' models for training means they're not spending the same amount on R&D and/or training, giving them headroom in other ways (responding to the parent's point). It wasn't a comment reflecting on copyright/fair use.
- behnamoh 5mo agoIn the same fashion, Anthropic/OpenAI also reduced their training cost by not purchasing the license to copyrighted work and stealing it instead.
- malnourish 5mo agoIs that fundamentally any different than what e.g., Meta and OpenAI have done? Besides, hasn't SCotUS ruled that raw LLM output isn't subject to copyright? So these companies would be breaking a ToS at worst.