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Let's think about it. This is probably something used internally at CloudFlare and someone thought I'd be interesting to make it public. There is no way 6 mont

Let's think about it. This is probably something used internally at CloudFlare and someone thought I'd be interesting to make it public. There is no way 6 months ago someone at CloudFlare thought it was a good idea to build a competitor to say LaunchDarkly.

wahnfrieden 5mo ago
Care to share why
jasonjmcghee 5mo ago
Hmm not sure I necessarily agree. Cloudflare's strategy has been looking like "the only platform you need" for a while now. Their recent features / announcements have been equivalent to: (LaunchDarkly) Resend, Firecrawl, CrewAI, Helicone, Replicate, Pinecone - Which like… many companies have a painful procurement process. If all you need is Cloudflare, and prices are within reason- why not use them
- stingraycharles 5mo ago
  Don’t forget they now also have an OpenRouter alternative.
  - sedimannapoleon 5mo ago
    [dead]
- gowthamgts12 5mo ago
  Their quality of the products they ship have already became shitty for quite a while now.
  - risyachka 5mo ago
    they are quickly turning into a slop shop instead of polishing their existing products (and most of them do require a lot of work) they jump into any other niche someone thought was a good idea. My guess is that with ai being able to prototype things quickly they just started doing everything that is even a bit relevant. which won't end well
    - nijave 5mo ago
      I think they were doing that before AI got big the last couple years. Their core network stuff always seemed pretty robust but all the newer stuff was much more thrown together. Thinking specifically of Zero Trust/Argo Tunnels which has been around a few years (and I do like) but has some rough edges.
bg24 5mo ago
Both Cloudflare and Vercel have feature parity. Flags is a feature already in Vercel. While customer-first is a thing, it is also a no-brainer to start with: we use it, Vercel has it, let us build it.
- pjmlp 5mo ago
  Now waiting for Cloudflare to allow me to use Rust for serverless, real native code, not WebAssembly. https://vercel.com/docs/functions/runtimes/rust https://vercel.com/docs/functions/runtimes/rust
  - iainmerrick 5mo ago
    They have containers, does that count? If you’re specifically thinking of native ephemeral workers with very fast startup, it seems like those would have to be sandboxed somehow, and WebAssembly seems like a decent solution. Is there really a significant native code gap between WebAssembly workers and native containers?
    - pjmlp 5mo ago
      Containers seem to only be "Available on Workers Paid plan", whereas Vercel supports it on the hobby account as well. Kind of relevant on those cheapskate projects that only start paying licenses after the SOW is signed, but already expect some kind of prototyping in place. WebAssembly is a solution looking for a problem outside the browser, with worse development experience. If I want bytecode based runtimes, I already have them with first class development experience, and decades of deployment experience, between Erlang, JVM and CLR.
      - nijave 5mo ago
        Haven't used Vercel but back in the Heroku/CloudFoundry days it was pretty easy to jam arbitrary binaries into the runtime containers and some of the build packs were flexible enough you could override most of the functionality. Not sure if that's possible/how easy it is on Vercel
roerohan 5mo ago
https://blog.cloudflare.com/flagship https://blog.cloudflare.com/flagship Here's why we built it!
- Hamuko 5mo ago
  >Agentic coding tools like OpenCode and Claude Code are shipping entire features in minutes. How many minutes do I need to wait until app-scoped tokens are live?
  - tom1337 5mo ago
    Sorry, just reached the weekly token limit.
  - roerohan 4mo ago
    We'll try to make the wait worth it
- deleted 5mo ago
  [deleted]
- philipwhiuk 5mo ago
  Ah, no-look coding. How can we possibly trust the AI to disable the 'CODE_IS_SKYNET' flag.

wahnfrieden 5mo ago

Care to share why

jasonjmcghee 5mo ago

Hmm not sure I necessarily agree. Cloudflare's strategy has been looking like "the only platform you need" for a while now. Their recent features / announcements have been equivalent to: (LaunchDarkly) Resend, Firecrawl, CrewAI, Helicone, Replicate, Pinecone - Which like… many companies have a painful procurement process. If all you need is Cloudflare, and prices are within reason- why not use them

stingraycharles 5mo ago
Don’t forget they now also have an OpenRouter alternative.
- sedimannapoleon 5mo ago
  [dead]
gowthamgts12 5mo ago
Their quality of the products they ship have already became shitty for quite a while now.
- risyachka 5mo ago
  they are quickly turning into a slop shop instead of polishing their existing products (and most of them do require a lot of work) they jump into any other niche someone thought was a good idea. My guess is that with ai being able to prototype things quickly they just started doing everything that is even a bit relevant. which won't end well
  - nijave 5mo ago
    I think they were doing that before AI got big the last couple years. Their core network stuff always seemed pretty robust but all the newer stuff was much more thrown together. Thinking specifically of Zero Trust/Argo Tunnels which has been around a few years (and I do like) but has some rough edges.

bg24 5mo ago

Both Cloudflare and Vercel have feature parity. Flags is a feature already in Vercel. While customer-first is a thing, it is also a no-brainer to start with: we use it, Vercel has it, let us build it.

pjmlp 5mo ago
Now waiting for Cloudflare to allow me to use Rust for serverless, real native code, not WebAssembly. https://vercel.com/docs/functions/runtimes/rust https://vercel.com/docs/functions/runtimes/rust
- iainmerrick 5mo ago
  They have containers, does that count? If you’re specifically thinking of native ephemeral workers with very fast startup, it seems like those would have to be sandboxed somehow, and WebAssembly seems like a decent solution. Is there really a significant native code gap between WebAssembly workers and native containers?
  - pjmlp 5mo ago
    Containers seem to only be "Available on Workers Paid plan", whereas Vercel supports it on the hobby account as well. Kind of relevant on those cheapskate projects that only start paying licenses after the SOW is signed, but already expect some kind of prototyping in place. WebAssembly is a solution looking for a problem outside the browser, with worse development experience. If I want bytecode based runtimes, I already have them with first class development experience, and decades of deployment experience, between Erlang, JVM and CLR.
    - nijave 5mo ago
      Haven't used Vercel but back in the Heroku/CloudFoundry days it was pretty easy to jam arbitrary binaries into the runtime containers and some of the build packs were flexible enough you could override most of the functionality. Not sure if that's possible/how easy it is on Vercel

roerohan 5mo ago

https://blog.cloudflare.com/flagship https://blog.cloudflare.com/flagship Here's why we built it!

Hamuko 5mo ago
>Agentic coding tools like OpenCode and Claude Code are shipping entire features in minutes. How many minutes do I need to wait until app-scoped tokens are live?
- tom1337 5mo ago
  Sorry, just reached the weekly token limit.
- roerohan 4mo ago
  We'll try to make the wait worth it
deleted 5mo ago
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philipwhiuk 5mo ago
Ah, no-look coding. How can we possibly trust the AI to disable the 'CODE_IS_SKYNET' flag.