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That's deliberate. US AI companies have no chance of recouping even fraction of their valuations. PS: Have not tried this but Deepseev4 Flash (not even Deepsee
by wg0 5mo ago
That's deliberate. US AI companies have no chance of recouping even fraction of their valuations.
PS: Have not tried this but Deepseev4 Flash (not even Deepseekv4 Pro version) with set to "high" has pretty much Claud Opus 4.7 level of capabilities and is lightening fast and dirty cheap. Hours and hours of conversation barely costs few cents.
- surgical_fire 5mo agoI have been using DeepSeek API within Claude Code. So far it has been legitimately superior to Claude, and Codex that I used before.
- giwook 5mo agoAnecdotal evidence is nice but hard to take seriously given the myriad variables at play here.
- Arcuru 5mo agoI am very happy with DSv4 for their price/performance but neither of them are comparable to Opus.
- tartoran 5mo agoBut they're overall a good thing for us consumers even if we'll never use these models, it forces the prices down all around.
- chillfox 5mo agoYeah, I really like and use DSv4Pro for personal projects, but I also use Opus all the time at work and they are definitively not at the same level. I can only conclude that people who claim they are aren't doing anything close to the edge of what these models are capable of or any niche things. I would say DSv4Pro is around the same level as Sonnet.
- bel8 5mo agoDeepSeek Flash on high (not max) is a freak of nature indeed. Very disproportionate intelligence-to-cost ratio. I'm leveraging this temporary anomaly and using it as my coding workhorse.
- binary132 5mo agowhat makes you so confident it’s temporary
- fgonzag 5mo agoThe weights are open and when prices settle down again will be runnable with less than 10k of hardware. I can easily run it in a 8 bit quant with the 4 x 48GB Radeon Pro W7900 GPUs I snagged for 2k each before the memory squeeze. A 158B parameter model, especially in an architecture as efficient as DS4 is not that hard to drive currently if you got in before the craze, and will be relatively easy to drive with future hardware generations.
- UncleOxidant 5mo agoDoesn't DeepSeek-V4-Flash have 284B parameters?
- fgonzag 5mo agoYou are correct.
- giwook 5mo ago> US AI companies have no chance of recouping even fraction of their valuations. A big caveat here is that many US companies (particularly in sensitive industries, like defense) will likely not want to (or not be allowed to) use Chinese models for anything of substance.
- syntaxing 5mo agoWhat about self host Chinese models?
- monster_truck 5mo agoStill no.
- elboru 5mo agoWhy?
- carimura 5mo agotrust, optics, laws
- Haven880 5mo agoUSA is as censored as what we believe about China. You will get cancelled by Americans if you use "communist" stuff. That is why hardly any Chinese EVs in USA. Because it is communists stuff. The odd thing is iphone is made in China. So it is more of selective enforcement when convenience. Chinese AI even self host means your will influence by communism. You want McCarthy era back again?
- giwook 5mo agoMassive overgeneralization and hyperbole. You're referring to a very small subset of the American population. It's ironic because you seem to be claiming Americans are closed-minded here but I think that may actually describe your mindset as well.