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> "less space than a Nomad" I actually thought that was a valid comment, more so than the Dropbox one. The contemporaneous iPod _was_ technically and acoustica

> "less space than a Nomad" I actually thought that was a valid comment, more so than the Dropbox one. The contemporaneous iPod _was_ technically and acoustically inferior to the Nomad. The iPod "won" on account of fashion, style and marketing. Yes, the Slashdot comment was naive in underestimating or ignoring the power of Apple, but objectively it wasn't wrong. Apple released an inferior product and used out-of-band techniques to sell it.

tptacek 5mo ago
It's a category error to compare the two comments at all.
- jgon 5mo ago
  You literally compared them in your comment.
  - tptacek 5mo ago
    Yes, by pointing out that they are not similar conceptually.
Paianni 5mo ago
TBF, iPod design was very neat and the nano's were very thin for the time.
mistersquid 5mo ago
> The contemporaneous iPod _was_ technically and acoustically inferior to the Nomad. You're cherry-picking your "technicals". The click wheel hardware and software implementation (especially the UI response time) was (and still is) revolutionary. iPod won on the technical merits; just not the ones you're focusing.
- ToucanLoucan 5mo ago
  The anti-Apple crowd on here loves to crow about how Apple only wins on marketing. Look I find the ads cringe as fuck too, but let's not pretend that the hardware isn't much, much better than average. Better than all? No certainly not, Apple's build quality loses out to plenty of much more premium products. But it generally sits head and shoulders above the average build quality of any given product category, which seems to be the niche they most aim for: "the upmarket version of the common offering." That ones that immediately come to mind are Macbooks and iPads.
  - Aaargh20318 5mo ago
    The thing with Apple products is that they may not be the best at every single spec but they usually have the best overall package. You can find a laptop that is better in one aspect, but it will be worse in others.
0cf8612b2e1e 5mo ago
You have to mention the music store. Prior to that, there were few legal ways to get music to put onto the devices.

tptacek 5mo ago

It's a category error to compare the two comments at all.

jgon 5mo ago
You literally compared them in your comment.
- tptacek 5mo ago
  Yes, by pointing out that they are not similar conceptually.

Paianni 5mo ago

TBF, iPod design was very neat and the nano's were very thin for the time.

mistersquid 5mo ago

> The contemporaneous iPod _was_ technically and acoustically inferior to the Nomad. You're cherry-picking your "technicals". The click wheel hardware and software implementation (especially the UI response time) was (and still is) revolutionary. iPod won on the technical merits; just not the ones you're focusing.

ToucanLoucan 5mo ago
The anti-Apple crowd on here loves to crow about how Apple only wins on marketing. Look I find the ads cringe as fuck too, but let's not pretend that the hardware isn't much, much better than average. Better than all? No certainly not, Apple's build quality loses out to plenty of much more premium products. But it generally sits head and shoulders above the average build quality of any given product category, which seems to be the niche they most aim for: "the upmarket version of the common offering." That ones that immediately come to mind are Macbooks and iPads.
- Aaargh20318 5mo ago
  The thing with Apple products is that they may not be the best at every single spec but they usually have the best overall package. You can find a laptop that is better in one aspect, but it will be worse in others.

0cf8612b2e1e 5mo ago

You have to mention the music store. Prior to that, there were few legal ways to get music to put onto the devices.