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Question was about high licensing fees and which tools I was referring to I’m not claiming Defensics or OpenText DAST tools are magical “find all kernel vulns”
by firesteelrain 5mo ago
Question was about high licensing fees and which tools I was referring to
I’m not claiming Defensics or OpenText DAST tools are magical “find all kernel vulns” buttons
My point is more that mature fuzzing ecosystems already existed before the recent AI-driven approaches. Protocol fuzzers, syscall fuzzers, coverage-guided fuzzers, sanitizers, dynamic analysis, etc. have all historically found serious kernel bugs
- tptacek 5mo agoWe might just be talking past each other. My question, from upthread, is this: the heyday of AFL was over a decade ago. Every major platform company fuzzes at a scale that I think is difficult for lay practitioners to get their heads around. They contract, quarterly, soup-to-nuts assessments from competing software security companies, who get full source access and are measured against each other by the quality of their findings. They run bounty programs specifically to direct public researcher attention to these exact findings. Why didn't "mature fuzzing ecosystems" find the vulnerabilities AI is now finding? It's a pretty big gap in the "fuzzing tools already do this" logic!
- firesteelrain 5mo ago> Why didn't "mature fuzzing ecosystems" find the vulnerabilities AI is now finding? It's a pretty big gap in the "fuzzing tools already do this" logic! Because they simply aren’t ran. That’s my entire argument
- tptacek 5mo agoYou're wrong about that.
- firesteelrain 5mo agoHow? If the tools were ran the same findings may have occurred.
- tptacek 5mo agoNo, the point is they are very different tools that produce very different outcomes. Your syllogism doesn't work.
- firesteelrain 5mo agoClaude et al have “skills” that are basically containers of tools. It’s not a huge leap to say that similar tools are in use within these containers or even same. We don’t know.
- tptacek 5mo agoYes, we do.
- firesteelrain 5mo agoGetting alot of short line replies. Got any link to any documentation / traceability to that claim?
- tptacek 5mo agoI work in this field, have done work for some of the vendors we're discussing, and talk daily to security engineers working on these problems at these vendors. You are wrong.
- firesteelrain 5mo agoWell we aren’t going to get anywhere. I asked for evidence and didn’t receive any.
- tptacek 5mo agoJust so we're clear you're asking for evidence that Apple and Google... run fuzzers.