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almost always the case especially in germany where you are already incentivised with super low income taxes, free kindergarten and a shit load of other payments

almost always the case especially in germany where you are already incentivised with super low income taxes, free kindergarten and a shit load of other payments from the goverment. its basically impossible to be poor enough not to afford children unless you are doing it intentionally.

bushwart 4mo ago
I wasn't aware that Germany had super low income taxes. It is certainly possible to game the welfare system and many people do, but if you want a decent standard of living then you need to be employed.
- bigballsbjorn 4mo ago
  if you marry you basically half your income tax burden if your partner is not employed. there are also child support payments from the government of several hundred € per month that you get as well as free kindergarten, schooling and higher ed. if you are poor you get money from the state until you hit a minimum income threshhold which together with all the other payments is more than enough to have 2 children.
jceg 4mo ago
Super low income taxes? The general income tax brackets break down in Germany is as follows: - Up to €12,348: 0% (Tax-free allowance) - €12,349 – €69,878: 14% to 42% (Progressive increase) - €69,879 – €277,825: 42% (Proportional rate) - Over €277,826: 45% (Reichensteuer or "rich tax") Source: https://www.expatrio.com/about-germany/german-tax-system https://www.expatrio.com/about-germany/german-tax-system IMO: that doesn't look "super low". A better tax system is the one used by Estonia: a flat tax rate of 22% Source: https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/estonia/individual/taxes-on-personal-income https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/estonia/individual/taxes-on-per...
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- bigballsbjorn 4mo ago
  its low in practice for a family with a single earner is what i meant. ehegattenpsplitting. but yes by default its obviously very high but thats kind of the norm for western countries.

bushwart 4mo ago

I wasn't aware that Germany had super low income taxes. It is certainly possible to game the welfare system and many people do, but if you want a decent standard of living then you need to be employed.

bigballsbjorn 4mo ago
if you marry you basically half your income tax burden if your partner is not employed. there are also child support payments from the government of several hundred € per month that you get as well as free kindergarten, schooling and higher ed. if you are poor you get money from the state until you hit a minimum income threshhold which together with all the other payments is more than enough to have 2 children.

jceg 4mo ago

Super low income taxes? The general income tax brackets break down in Germany is as follows: - Up to €12,348: 0% (Tax-free allowance) - €12,349 – €69,878: 14% to 42% (Progressive increase) - €69,879 – €277,825: 42% (Proportional rate) - Over €277,826: 45% (Reichensteuer or "rich tax") Source: https://www.expatrio.com/about-germany/german-tax-system https://www.expatrio.com/about-germany/german-tax-system IMO: that doesn't look "super low". A better tax system is the one used by Estonia: a flat tax rate of 22% Source: https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/estonia/individual/taxes-on-personal-income https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/estonia/individual/taxes-on-per...

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bigballsbjorn 4mo ago
its low in practice for a family with a single earner is what i meant. ehegattenpsplitting. but yes by default its obviously very high but thats kind of the norm for western countries.