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I like yor attempt at emotional manipulation, labeling as "awkward" people trying to have a civilized discussion about a strong bias and doble-standard; also ca

I like yor attempt at emotional manipulation, labeling as "awkward" people trying to have a civilized discussion about a strong bias and doble-standard; also calling it sexist when if anything we are asking for gender neutrality wish is the opposite of sexism for all I care.

ErrantX 14y ago
"I don't like my tech articles biased by hormones"; is the most sexist thing I've read in this thread.
- jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
  We have completly different definitions for that word then. For example If a boss needs to hire a good secretary for one of his employees; and assign him the task of finding one and then tells him "Don't let your hormones decide for you" is pretty clear what he means; that sexual attraction and gender should be irrelevant in the selection proccess and he should focus in practical skills a secretary should have. And there is nothing sexist about that; because sexism is discrimination based on gender and this is an enforcement for the lack of that kind of discrimination.
  - duzins 14y ago
    Do men still have to be told not to let their hormones affect their choice of hires? I didn't realize that was still a thing. Also, why does it have to be a secretary? Are they 100% female now? If he was looking for an engineer, would he need to be told not to let his hormones decide?
    - jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
      They don't "have" to be told; but its sometimes a healthy reminder... and it was just an example. The majority of secretaries are female (not all); and is no secret that sometimes people hire based on looks instead of actual skills.
rjknight 14y ago
Dude, I agree with your basic premise that it should be possible to discuss bias and double standards. I agree that sometimes bias against male opinions and experiences can happen and, when it does happen, it's not easy to get anyone to accept it because it doesn't fit our accepted narratives about sexism. Gender neutrality is definitely a noble aim. But in this case I think you're wrong. This thread is a totally legitimate discussion of a very interesting, detailed and inventive technical post and I find it hard to believe that an equally detailed and well-written post from a male perspective would not be received in much the same way. I don't think you're being sexist, but you are being wrong about something in a way that an average internet commenter would find hard to distinguish from sexism (and the average internet commenter is not particularly capable of nuanced thought).
- jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
  > I find it hard to believe that an equally detailed and well-written post from a male perspective would not be received in much the same way. I can only assume that you are very naive; for the average male is impossible to read this article without imaging a woman using the device; wish does not mean that there aren't legitimate and interesting discussions in this thread; but is clear that the exponential popularity grow of this article is strongly correlated with that fact.
  - ruby_on_rails 14y ago
    Not everyone fits into neat little boxes. I read the article imagining using this device myself (and I'm a man!), or using it with a partner (man or woman).
    - jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
      Yeah, that is why I said "average". The average reader here is a white straight male engineer who is not interested in putting things on his rectum.
      - 14y ago

ErrantX 14y ago

"I don't like my tech articles biased by hormones"; is the most sexist thing I've read in this thread.

jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
We have completly different definitions for that word then. For example If a boss needs to hire a good secretary for one of his employees; and assign him the task of finding one and then tells him "Don't let your hormones decide for you" is pretty clear what he means; that sexual attraction and gender should be irrelevant in the selection proccess and he should focus in practical skills a secretary should have. And there is nothing sexist about that; because sexism is discrimination based on gender and this is an enforcement for the lack of that kind of discrimination.
- duzins 14y ago
  Do men still have to be told not to let their hormones affect their choice of hires? I didn't realize that was still a thing. Also, why does it have to be a secretary? Are they 100% female now? If he was looking for an engineer, would he need to be told not to let his hormones decide?
  - jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
    They don't "have" to be told; but its sometimes a healthy reminder... and it was just an example. The majority of secretaries are female (not all); and is no secret that sometimes people hire based on looks instead of actual skills.

rjknight 14y ago

Dude, I agree with your basic premise that it should be possible to discuss bias and double standards. I agree that sometimes bias against male opinions and experiences can happen and, when it does happen, it's not easy to get anyone to accept it because it doesn't fit our accepted narratives about sexism. Gender neutrality is definitely a noble aim. But in this case I think you're wrong. This thread is a totally legitimate discussion of a very interesting, detailed and inventive technical post and I find it hard to believe that an equally detailed and well-written post from a male perspective would not be received in much the same way. I don't think you're being sexist, but you are being wrong about something in a way that an average internet commenter would find hard to distinguish from sexism (and the average internet commenter is not particularly capable of nuanced thought).

jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
> I find it hard to believe that an equally detailed and well-written post from a male perspective would not be received in much the same way. I can only assume that you are very naive; for the average male is impossible to read this article without imaging a woman using the device; wish does not mean that there aren't legitimate and interesting discussions in this thread; but is clear that the exponential popularity grow of this article is strongly correlated with that fact.
- ruby_on_rails 14y ago
  Not everyone fits into neat little boxes. I read the article imagining using this device myself (and I'm a man!), or using it with a partner (man or woman).
  - jQueryIsAwesome 14y ago
    Yeah, that is why I said "average". The average reader here is a white straight male engineer who is not interested in putting things on his rectum.
    - 14y ago