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> A couple of weeks ago, the entire parliament (with only a single party dissenting) voted for a motion to end the contract with Solvinity, but the government e

by hvb2 4mo ago

> A couple of weeks ago, the entire parliament (with only a single party dissenting) voted for a motion to end the contract with Solvinity, but the government extended it anyway, leaving blocking the takeover as the only option, Given what we know now, this seems perfectly logical. It's just that we don't know what else is going on behind the scenes. I'm sure there was some negotiations on how to keep the data separate or something, with the threat of blocking it altogether as a final solution. But agreed, this is a good outcome

monegator 4mo ago
> I'm sure there was some negotiations which i'm sure the current administration would honour There should be grave consequences alone for the fact that the goverment acted against the parliament
- hvb2 4mo ago
  > which i'm sure the current administration would honour It would've been the same administration as the one doing the negotiations, so I would assume yes. > There should be grave consequences alone for the fact that the goverment acted against the parliament In general I think there's a pretty good understanding between the legislative branch and the executive branch. The Netherlands has always had coalitions. Also, every single government will talk to the other parties. I'm not sure what country you're referring to but the Netherlands has a properly functioning democracy. The only problem it has is splintering into too many small factions making coalitions super hard
  - mcv 4mo ago
    There are certainly countries that have it worse, but Netherland has some weird political games being played sometimes.
    - hvb2 4mo ago
      The voters don't always deal the cards favorably for the coalition system. Compared to a 2 or 3 party system, I think I still prefer the coalitions though as it forces them to negotiate
      - mcv 4mo ago
        Yeah, but this time the coalition negotiations were rather dirty. The largest party and therefore most likely prime minister was the most progressive of the centrist parties (D66) and would normally want to work with the moderate left-wing labour party (GLPvdA, now PRO), but the most conservative of the centrist parties (VVD) banned them from negotiations, and preferred one of the right-wing/racist parties (Ja21) instead. If the other two centrist parties really wanted, there could have been a left-center majority of 6 parties, but instead, they let the VVD call the shots, and now it's effectively a VVD minority government. (VVD had previously also voted to label antifascism "terrorism", which I'm sure must have caused Benjamin Telders, the antifascist they named their scientific bureau after, to spin in his grave.)
        hvb2 4mo ago
        It does look like Jetten was too much of an optimist. Thinking he will just get some things done if only he gets a coalition together...
  - BigTTYGothGF 4mo ago
    > executive branch I didn't think the Netherlands had one of those.
    - hvb2 4mo ago
      'het kabinet' or 'de regering' is the executive branch in NL. You don't need a president to have an executive branch. Eerste/tweede kamer. Legislative, make the laws Ministers/staatssecretarissen, executive, implement policy Hoge Raad etc, legislative. Look up trias politica
    - WJW 4mo ago
      Sure they do: https://prodemos.nl/kennis/informatie-over-politiek/wat-is-een-rechtsstaat/de-scheiding-der-machten/ https://prodemos.nl/kennis/informatie-over-politiek/wat-is-e...
- Muromec 4mo ago
  There was that chip company that was almost nationalized by the Dutch government few months ago when their Chinese owners started making funny noises.

by hvb2 4mo ago

monegator 4mo ago

> I'm sure there was some negotiations which i'm sure the current administration would honour There should be grave consequences alone for the fact that the goverment acted against the parliament

hvb2 4mo ago
> which i'm sure the current administration would honour It would've been the same administration as the one doing the negotiations, so I would assume yes. > There should be grave consequences alone for the fact that the goverment acted against the parliament In general I think there's a pretty good understanding between the legislative branch and the executive branch. The Netherlands has always had coalitions. Also, every single government will talk to the other parties. I'm not sure what country you're referring to but the Netherlands has a properly functioning democracy. The only problem it has is splintering into too many small factions making coalitions super hard
- mcv 4mo ago
  There are certainly countries that have it worse, but Netherland has some weird political games being played sometimes.
  - hvb2 4mo ago
    The voters don't always deal the cards favorably for the coalition system. Compared to a 2 or 3 party system, I think I still prefer the coalitions though as it forces them to negotiate
    - mcv 4mo ago
      Yeah, but this time the coalition negotiations were rather dirty. The largest party and therefore most likely prime minister was the most progressive of the centrist parties (D66) and would normally want to work with the moderate left-wing labour party (GLPvdA, now PRO), but the most conservative of the centrist parties (VVD) banned them from negotiations, and preferred one of the right-wing/racist parties (Ja21) instead. If the other two centrist parties really wanted, there could have been a left-center majority of 6 parties, but instead, they let the VVD call the shots, and now it's effectively a VVD minority government. (VVD had previously also voted to label antifascism "terrorism", which I'm sure must have caused Benjamin Telders, the antifascist they named their scientific bureau after, to spin in his grave.)
      - hvb2 4mo ago
        It does look like Jetten was too much of an optimist. Thinking he will just get some things done if only he gets a coalition together...
- BigTTYGothGF 4mo ago
  > executive branch I didn't think the Netherlands had one of those.
  - hvb2 4mo ago
    'het kabinet' or 'de regering' is the executive branch in NL. You don't need a president to have an executive branch. Eerste/tweede kamer. Legislative, make the laws Ministers/staatssecretarissen, executive, implement policy Hoge Raad etc, legislative. Look up trias politica
  - WJW 4mo ago
    Sure they do: https://prodemos.nl/kennis/informatie-over-politiek/wat-is-een-rechtsstaat/de-scheiding-der-machten/ https://prodemos.nl/kennis/informatie-over-politiek/wat-is-e...
Muromec 4mo ago
There was that chip company that was almost nationalized by the Dutch government few months ago when their Chinese owners started making funny noises.