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I don’t think you can take any writing by american TV priests as gospel

irdc 5mo ago
Sure, another source then: https://www.vox.com/2015/2/20/8078979/pope-francis-trans-rights https://www.vox.com/2015/2/20/8078979/pope-francis-trans-rig... I just cannot reconcile the idea of personhood being valuable with reducing humans to mere biology.
- bhinml 5mo ago
  > In January, Francis said teaching the gender theory in developing countries is “ideological colonization” by wealthier nations. Sounds about right to be honest. The claim that being a woman or a man is merely a matter of self-declaration is indeed an ideological view that arose from the western world.
- svieira 5mo ago
  Humans are not "reduced" to biology. Their biology is presumed to "reveal" something about their personhood. And no matter how they feel about their hair, their hips, their eyes, etc. they ought to receive them as a gift from God and enter into a dialog with Him about how they ought to make use of the gifts He has given them.
  - irdc 5mo ago
    However, don't you feel as though biology thereby becomes an impediment to loving the whole person? Edit: I'm sorry, I'm being a little vague here, so let me clarify: biology is what decides our appearance, and our appearance then influences how we interact with people. If ones appearance contradicts ones inner sense of personhood, how can that person ever truly connect with other people? And if they cannot connect, then how can they love and be loved (which if I remember correctly is one of the two major commandments in your religion)?
    - svieira 5mo ago
      > If ones appearance contradicts ones inner sense of personhood, how can that person ever truly connect with other people? https://woforgmedia.wordonfire.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/22121648/DHDMFC-scaled.jpg https://woforgmedia.wordonfire.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/0... https://www.wordonfire.org/articles/pope-francis-and-the-elephant-man/ https://www.wordonfire.org/articles/pope-francis-and-the-ele...
      - irdc 5mo ago
        And yet, if someone with such an affliction could have it fixed via medicine, they would jump at the chance. As would you, by the way. Requiring people not to because of one’s convictions is certainly the height of something and it isn’t good.
        svieira 5mo ago
        "The affliction" in his case is skin overgrowth, in the other its the dysphoria, right? But which is the moral way to cure either?
  - kingandqueenov 5mo ago
    By the same token, God gives us dysphoria as a way of encouraging us to use those gifts as He intends. God made us trans people to be trans. The entire process of transition is a creative one. As much as anything else, gender dysphoria is an invitation to shape your humanity, to take some small part in the creation of your self. It is "in His image" to shape humanity, especially one's own.

irdc 5mo ago

Sure, another source then: https://www.vox.com/2015/2/20/8078979/pope-francis-trans-rights https://www.vox.com/2015/2/20/8078979/pope-francis-trans-rig... I just cannot reconcile the idea of personhood being valuable with reducing humans to mere biology.

bhinml 5mo ago
> In January, Francis said teaching the gender theory in developing countries is “ideological colonization” by wealthier nations. Sounds about right to be honest. The claim that being a woman or a man is merely a matter of self-declaration is indeed an ideological view that arose from the western world.
svieira 5mo ago
Humans are not "reduced" to biology. Their biology is presumed to "reveal" something about their personhood. And no matter how they feel about their hair, their hips, their eyes, etc. they ought to receive them as a gift from God and enter into a dialog with Him about how they ought to make use of the gifts He has given them.
- irdc 5mo ago
  However, don't you feel as though biology thereby becomes an impediment to loving the whole person? Edit: I'm sorry, I'm being a little vague here, so let me clarify: biology is what decides our appearance, and our appearance then influences how we interact with people. If ones appearance contradicts ones inner sense of personhood, how can that person ever truly connect with other people? And if they cannot connect, then how can they love and be loved (which if I remember correctly is one of the two major commandments in your religion)?
  - svieira 5mo ago
    > If ones appearance contradicts ones inner sense of personhood, how can that person ever truly connect with other people? https://woforgmedia.wordonfire.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/22121648/DHDMFC-scaled.jpg https://woforgmedia.wordonfire.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/0... https://www.wordonfire.org/articles/pope-francis-and-the-elephant-man/ https://www.wordonfire.org/articles/pope-francis-and-the-ele...
    - irdc 5mo ago
      And yet, if someone with such an affliction could have it fixed via medicine, they would jump at the chance. As would you, by the way. Requiring people not to because of one’s convictions is certainly the height of something and it isn’t good.
      - svieira 5mo ago
        "The affliction" in his case is skin overgrowth, in the other its the dysphoria, right? But which is the moral way to cure either?
- kingandqueenov 5mo ago
  By the same token, God gives us dysphoria as a way of encouraging us to use those gifts as He intends. God made us trans people to be trans. The entire process of transition is a creative one. As much as anything else, gender dysphoria is an invitation to shape your humanity, to take some small part in the creation of your self. It is "in His image" to shape humanity, especially one's own.