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"by providing food or housing" vs "if it was used to increase profits" Why..not both? I know this question is naive, but there is nothing that "hard-codes" AI

by pj_mukh 5mo ago

"by providing food or housing" vs "if it was used to increase profits" Why..not both? I know this question is naive, but there is nothing that "hard-codes" AI to only increase profits at the cost of providing food or housing for much cheaper prices. Yes a Private equity firm could later insert itself and jack up prices and play such games, but that isn't baked into the technology itself. And as such, the technology seems the wrong thing to be litigating.

jdjdjxixismns 5mo ago
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AvAn12 5mo ago
Tech is supposed to be a tool that serves other products ends, not an end in itself. At this point, tech biz leaders are massively over-reaching and trying to influence the rest of us: muxk, thiel, Karp, etc. So it should be no surprise that the rest of us are ready, willing and able to push back just as hard. tech biz leads should just run their companies and stop trying to play president or god
- pj_mukh 5mo ago
  "At this point, tech biz leaders are massively over-reaching and trying to influence the rest of us:" I realize this is what's happening on the headlines, but most of the technology being "deployed" is back-office automation, robotics etc. that no one writes about and none of the tech baddies have monopolistic control over. I refuse to let muxk, thiel, Karp to run the conversation and setup the reaction either. It is exciting and dramatic but not necessarily influential.
squidbeak 5mo ago
There aren't any profits with full automation - but there is instead total power for whoever owns that automation.
- pj_mukh 5mo ago
  If it’s a monopoly yes. But there are massive profits in full automation. I’m not expecting costs to go to zero but it’s the only pathway to things getting cheaper by a lot.
  - squidbeak 5mo ago
    Where are these profits coming from? Remember, under full automation there aren't any workers earning salaries. Meanwhile, costs of production fall to zero. So what will there be for these profitable companies to spend their profits on?
    - pj_mukh 5mo ago
      I think we get hung up on definitions and end conditions when we are more likely to feel the effects of the asymptotic regions ala AGI or Full Automation The exact situation I laid out: “If it takes 10 construction workers at $60,000/annum to build one home, I can forsee the descendants of current AI tech enabling 10 construction workers at $150,000/annum building 5 homes in the same time with an even larger profit margin for the corporation involved.” Is the most likely condition if we let this technology grow healthily with the exact “full automation” end condition being beyond the point of diminishing returns. This is a lot of very wealthy workers building products for a lot of people with revenue growing but margins plateauing and therefore absolute profits growing as well. This is an exact repeat of the Industrial Revolution situation,

by pj_mukh 5mo ago

jdjdjxixismns 5mo ago

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AvAn12 5mo ago

Tech is supposed to be a tool that serves other products ends, not an end in itself. At this point, tech biz leaders are massively over-reaching and trying to influence the rest of us: muxk, thiel, Karp, etc. So it should be no surprise that the rest of us are ready, willing and able to push back just as hard. tech biz leads should just run their companies and stop trying to play president or god

pj_mukh 5mo ago
"At this point, tech biz leaders are massively over-reaching and trying to influence the rest of us:" I realize this is what's happening on the headlines, but most of the technology being "deployed" is back-office automation, robotics etc. that no one writes about and none of the tech baddies have monopolistic control over. I refuse to let muxk, thiel, Karp to run the conversation and setup the reaction either. It is exciting and dramatic but not necessarily influential.

squidbeak 5mo ago

There aren't any profits with full automation - but there is instead total power for whoever owns that automation.

pj_mukh 5mo ago
If it’s a monopoly yes. But there are massive profits in full automation. I’m not expecting costs to go to zero but it’s the only pathway to things getting cheaper by a lot.
- squidbeak 5mo ago
  Where are these profits coming from? Remember, under full automation there aren't any workers earning salaries. Meanwhile, costs of production fall to zero. So what will there be for these profitable companies to spend their profits on?
  - pj_mukh 5mo ago
    I think we get hung up on definitions and end conditions when we are more likely to feel the effects of the asymptotic regions ala AGI or Full Automation The exact situation I laid out: “If it takes 10 construction workers at $60,000/annum to build one home, I can forsee the descendants of current AI tech enabling 10 construction workers at $150,000/annum building 5 homes in the same time with an even larger profit margin for the corporation involved.” Is the most likely condition if we let this technology grow healthily with the exact “full automation” end condition being beyond the point of diminishing returns. This is a lot of very wealthy workers building products for a lot of people with revenue growing but margins plateauing and therefore absolute profits growing as well. This is an exact repeat of the Industrial Revolution situation,