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Presidents through out American history has believed various forms of genocide and slavery were applicable practices to modern problems; hell the current presid

Presidents through out American history has believed various forms of genocide and slavery were applicable practices to modern problems; hell the current president thinks variously incredulous things. So you know, you might want to adjust your measuring stick before you critique people.

gordian-mind 5mo ago
Not every conversation is about Trump, is it possible to stop this?
- miningape 5mo ago
  inb4 "EvERyTHing Is PolItiKz"
- SecretDreams 5mo ago
  I think the whole world would like to stop talking about Trump.
  - gordian-mind 5mo ago
    He got elected, get over it.
    - SecretDreams 5mo ago
      World doesn't seem over it yet. Like Brexit and plenty of other poor choices the various electorates of the world have previously done.
      - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 5mo ago
        More to the point, "it" is not the fact of his election but the fact of his policy decisions, which are ongoing. Of course the world is still talking about that.
      - gordian-mind 5mo ago
        It's your point of view that those were bad choices. Why pretend otherwise?
        cyanydeez 5mo ago
        dead people, historically, lack a POV
        SecretDreams 5mo ago
        Well, you're hearing people talk about them still for a reason buddy. Nobody talks about good news.
    - watwut 5mo ago
      And that is why he is talked about - because he is massively damaging powerful presence. And yes people who voted for him looked forwards to have fun watching the damage. Trump was always attention sucking drama queen. So yes, voting for him is a vote to have Trump in news worldwide.
totobrechi 5mo ago
Lets not forget the hideous acts that this church has commited against young men and children in america. This would the last place I'd accept leadership advise from. This message is not focused on u.s or its presidents. Its focused on leadership world wide.
- SecretDreams 5mo ago
  The people best suited to give advice on how AI should be used, distributed, and controlled are probably those disconnected from the profit structure of AI.
- cyanydeez 5mo ago
  hard out for rhe trump adminstration.
boxed 5mo ago
Their excuse was that they lived a long time ago when people were idiots. What's the popes excuse today?
dylan604 5mo ago
Both things can be true at the same time, so shutting down the critique (possibly because it is critiquing something you like??) just because another critique can be made is not a good counter argument
- watwut 5mo ago
  In that case, the Pope does not believe "wine turns to blood if you say things to it." That claims is, very simply, a lie.
  - Ardren 5mo ago
    It's actually litterally true. https://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html#The%20sacraments%20of%20Christian%20initiation https://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/arch... 283 > Transubstantiation means the change of the whole substance of bread into the substance of the Body of Christ and of the whole substance of wine into the substance of his Blood. This change is brought about in the eucharistic prayer through the efficacy of the word of Christ and by the action of the Holy Spirit. However, the outward characteristics of bread and wine, that is the “eucharistic species”, remain unaltered. Edit: It's a catholic thing, and it's very silly (other denominations say its symbolic)
    - watwut 5mo ago
      And that quote is not the same thing as was written originally. Explicitely hedges and ends with clear "wont have that taste, wont get you drunk". The simplification in the original in fact imploed that.
      - dylan604 5mo ago
        This is not the only part of Catholicism that is not written originally, but even "originally written" is difficult.
krapp 5mo ago
Both American presidents and Abrahamic faiths have, historically, justified slavery and genocide (and often by the same pretense.) And the current President's ridiculous beliefs are just as ridiculous as believing in transubstantiation. Believing angels manifest on Earth and intercede in human affairs is no more rational believing that aliens are manifesting on Earth but are really demons, which Catholic VP JD Vance believes. The former is just more culturally accepted, and thus given the weight of dignity, but both are valid as far as a naive and literalist interpretation of the Bible is concerned, because demons exist in the Bible, but not aliens. Either way, as much as the Pope is a silly man in a silly hat looking like a fucking wizard who is required to believe in supernatural nonsense while leading a corrupt den of pedophiles, he's also absolutely and objectively correct on this specific topic and it's clear he's put far more researched thought into his opinions on AI than 99% of people on HN. Hell, he even apologized for the Church's historical support of slavery, and many people here won't even concede that slavery was ever a problem.
- totobrechi 5mo ago
  The only significance here with history is we don't repeat it. There is no reason ever concede anything. Its akin to dwelling on indians introducing americans to tobacco. No group of people in the future should be judge on peoples beliefs or indiscretions. There is no connection.
- thrownthatway 5mo ago
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  - krapp 5mo ago
    You folks really do play to type sometimes.
Ardren 5mo ago
> Presidents through out American history has believed various forms of genocide and slavery were applicable practices to modern problems; hell the current president thinks variously incredulous things. And we shouldn't criticize them? Is that the point?
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gordian-mind 5mo ago

Not every conversation is about Trump, is it possible to stop this?

miningape 5mo ago
inb4 "EvERyTHing Is PolItiKz"
SecretDreams 5mo ago
I think the whole world would like to stop talking about Trump.
- gordian-mind 5mo ago
  He got elected, get over it.
  - SecretDreams 5mo ago
    World doesn't seem over it yet. Like Brexit and plenty of other poor choices the various electorates of the world have previously done.
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 5mo ago
      More to the point, "it" is not the fact of his election but the fact of his policy decisions, which are ongoing. Of course the world is still talking about that.
    - gordian-mind 5mo ago
      It's your point of view that those were bad choices. Why pretend otherwise?
      - cyanydeez 5mo ago
        dead people, historically, lack a POV
      - SecretDreams 5mo ago
        Well, you're hearing people talk about them still for a reason buddy. Nobody talks about good news.
  - watwut 5mo ago
    And that is why he is talked about - because he is massively damaging powerful presence. And yes people who voted for him looked forwards to have fun watching the damage. Trump was always attention sucking drama queen. So yes, voting for him is a vote to have Trump in news worldwide.

totobrechi 5mo ago

Lets not forget the hideous acts that this church has commited against young men and children in america. This would the last place I'd accept leadership advise from. This message is not focused on u.s or its presidents. Its focused on leadership world wide.

SecretDreams 5mo ago
The people best suited to give advice on how AI should be used, distributed, and controlled are probably those disconnected from the profit structure of AI.
cyanydeez 5mo ago
hard out for rhe trump adminstration.

boxed 5mo ago

Their excuse was that they lived a long time ago when people were idiots. What's the popes excuse today?

dylan604 5mo ago

Both things can be true at the same time, so shutting down the critique (possibly because it is critiquing something you like??) just because another critique can be made is not a good counter argument

watwut 5mo ago
In that case, the Pope does not believe "wine turns to blood if you say things to it." That claims is, very simply, a lie.
- Ardren 5mo ago
  It's actually litterally true. https://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html#The%20sacraments%20of%20Christian%20initiation https://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/arch... 283 > Transubstantiation means the change of the whole substance of bread into the substance of the Body of Christ and of the whole substance of wine into the substance of his Blood. This change is brought about in the eucharistic prayer through the efficacy of the word of Christ and by the action of the Holy Spirit. However, the outward characteristics of bread and wine, that is the “eucharistic species”, remain unaltered. Edit: It's a catholic thing, and it's very silly (other denominations say its symbolic)
  - watwut 5mo ago
    And that quote is not the same thing as was written originally. Explicitely hedges and ends with clear "wont have that taste, wont get you drunk". The simplification in the original in fact imploed that.
    - dylan604 5mo ago
      This is not the only part of Catholicism that is not written originally, but even "originally written" is difficult.

krapp 5mo ago

Both American presidents and Abrahamic faiths have, historically, justified slavery and genocide (and often by the same pretense.) And the current President's ridiculous beliefs are just as ridiculous as believing in transubstantiation. Believing angels manifest on Earth and intercede in human affairs is no more rational believing that aliens are manifesting on Earth but are really demons, which Catholic VP JD Vance believes. The former is just more culturally accepted, and thus given the weight of dignity, but both are valid as far as a naive and literalist interpretation of the Bible is concerned, because demons exist in the Bible, but not aliens. Either way, as much as the Pope is a silly man in a silly hat looking like a fucking wizard who is required to believe in supernatural nonsense while leading a corrupt den of pedophiles, he's also absolutely and objectively correct on this specific topic and it's clear he's put far more researched thought into his opinions on AI than 99% of people on HN. Hell, he even apologized for the Church's historical support of slavery, and many people here won't even concede that slavery was ever a problem.

totobrechi 5mo ago
The only significance here with history is we don't repeat it. There is no reason ever concede anything. Its akin to dwelling on indians introducing americans to tobacco. No group of people in the future should be judge on peoples beliefs or indiscretions. There is no connection.
thrownthatway 5mo ago
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- krapp 5mo ago
  You folks really do play to type sometimes.

Ardren 5mo ago

> Presidents through out American history has believed various forms of genocide and slavery were applicable practices to modern problems; hell the current president thinks variously incredulous things. And we shouldn't criticize them? Is that the point?

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