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>too poor Louisiana isn’t poor by almost any objective measure. They’re in the bottom half of US states by GDP per capita (not in the bottom 10), but they’d be

>too poor Louisiana isn’t poor by almost any objective measure. They’re in the bottom half of US states by GDP per capita (not in the bottom 10), but they’d be in the top 20 countries in the world by GDP per capita if they were a country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... They’re just behind Denmark by GDP per capita and ahead of Germany, Sweden, Australia, Canada, the Netherlands, and the UK.

CuriouslyC 5mo ago
GDP per capita is meaningless in the US bro. It's literally a cooked number that holds up big capitalists making money "in the state" from extraction of natural resources, but that money isn't staying in LA. Drive through LA and those places you mentioned and you'll see it. Also, use PPP.
- BLKNSLVR 5mo ago
  "A large amount of wealth is consistently and regularly extracted from Louisiana"
  - selimthegrim 5mo ago
    Louisiana has no severance tax. There are certain arrangements with trust funds for offshore oil that were enacted in the 50s and 60s.
  - sarchertech 5mo ago
    If we are talking about resources available to the state we can look directly at tax revenue. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-collections-per-capita/ https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-col... Louisiana is 32nd for tax revue per capita.
  - Danox 5mo ago
    And like most oil producing areas that money never sees/sticks to the bottom end. Basically like a gold rush town when it’s over it’s over.
    - sarchertech 5mo ago
      Louisiana only pumps about 3-4% of the total crude oil that the US produces. The money in Louisiana is primarily in refining oil pumped elsewhere. There are definitely externalities that big oil unloads on the people of Louisiana, but the refineries inject a lot of money into the community.
- sarchertech 5mo ago
  We’re talking about the state and local government not that poor people exist in Louisiana. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-collections-per-capita/ https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-col... Louisiana is 32nd for tax revue per capita.
triceratops 5mo ago
I've been to Louisiana and most of those countries. Going by the eye test, Louisiana was the poorest.
- sarchertech 5mo ago
  There’s a difference between “there exists people there who are poor” and the state and local governments are poor. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-collections-per-capita/ https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-col... Louisiana is 32nd for tax revue per capita.
  - triceratops 5mo ago
    Then why does the state look so poor? And why do you think their governments will spend money on helping people now?
    - sarchertech 5mo ago
      It’s looks poor because there are some very poor people living there because they are the descendants of slaves and share croppers who are still suffering as a result of that. However if you have look at average incomes and state revenue which represents the resources available, which was the what I was responding to. Whether they chose to use those resources is a different question. Also even looking at something like average or median personal income, Louisiana ranks in or near the top 20 counties in the world. What you’re seeing is that America has a terrible safety net so the floor is much lower than most of Europe.
      - Danox 5mo ago
        From the panhandle of Florida all the way through Port Arthur in Texas that area is one of the poorest places in the United States. It’s not even close. And anyone that could get out they left a long time ago very happy my parents decided to leave that part of the world, the best thing that could’ve happened to the south is that everything from Virginia to South Carolina is gentrifying. The sad part is that a large part of the population don’t realize that the conservative upper end of the population is selling out the conservative lower end.
TylerE 5mo ago
It's not my favorite, but US News has them dead last amongst US states overall. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/louisiana https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/louisiana Subscores: * Crime 50th * Economy 50th * Education 46th and on and on. In fact, I can't find a single top line number when they AREN'T in the bottom 10.
- sarchertech 5mo ago
  Those things are only correlated with available resources and income though and we can look directly at that here. There’s a difference between “there exists people there who are poor” and the state and local governments are poor. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-collections-per-capita/ https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-col... Louisiana is 32nd for tax revue per capita.
  - TylerE 5mo ago
    Feels more than a bit cherrypicked. There is also not much daylight (less than $1000) between them, and, once again, dead last. They're also, once again, dead last in economic oppurtunity. Frankly, I call bullshit on your interpretation. Have you ever set foot in Louisiana? I've lived in the deep south my entire life. The entire south, outside of a few cities is generally pretty poor, but Louisiana/Arkansas/Mississippi is just a different level. That's what happens when you elect a bunch of MAGA morons. PS: The local governments are doing everything possible to NOT help their citizens.
    - SoftTalker 5mo ago
      Right, Louisiana was an affluent state until MAGA came along a few years ago. That region has been impoverished since the Civil War, and even before.
      - TylerE 5mo ago
        Obviously not, but the current administrations method for getting out of a hole is to yell at the workers to dig faster while passing another tax cut for the big corps and billionaires.
mikestew 5mo ago
Louisiana isn’t poor by almost any objective measure. Uh, by the objective measure of my own two eyes? You can trot out all the fancy numbers you want, I’m not blind. The resource extraction that goes on in Louisiana does not necessarily trickle down to its residents nor even stays in the state.
- sarchertech 5mo ago
  There’s a difference between “there exists people there who are poor” and the state and local governments are poor. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-collections-per-capita/ https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-col... Louisiana is 32nd for tax revue per capita.
CamperBob2 5mo ago
Louisiana isn’t poor by almost any objective measure. They’re in the bottom half of US states by GDP per capita (not in the bottom 10), but they’d be in the top 20 countries in the world by GDP per capita if they were a country. Huh? Your link shows them between Chile and Portugal.
- sarchertech 5mo ago
  You’re looking at GDP not GDP per capita.
  - CamperBob2 5mo ago
    Well, those other countries have ~15x-20x more people, so there's that.

CuriouslyC 5mo ago

GDP per capita is meaningless in the US bro. It's literally a cooked number that holds up big capitalists making money "in the state" from extraction of natural resources, but that money isn't staying in LA. Drive through LA and those places you mentioned and you'll see it. Also, use PPP.

BLKNSLVR 5mo ago
"A large amount of wealth is consistently and regularly extracted from Louisiana"
- selimthegrim 5mo ago
  Louisiana has no severance tax. There are certain arrangements with trust funds for offshore oil that were enacted in the 50s and 60s.
- sarchertech 5mo ago
  If we are talking about resources available to the state we can look directly at tax revenue. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-collections-per-capita/ https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-col... Louisiana is 32nd for tax revue per capita.
- Danox 5mo ago
  And like most oil producing areas that money never sees/sticks to the bottom end. Basically like a gold rush town when it’s over it’s over.
  - sarchertech 5mo ago
    Louisiana only pumps about 3-4% of the total crude oil that the US produces. The money in Louisiana is primarily in refining oil pumped elsewhere. There are definitely externalities that big oil unloads on the people of Louisiana, but the refineries inject a lot of money into the community.
sarchertech 5mo ago
We’re talking about the state and local government not that poor people exist in Louisiana. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-collections-per-capita/ https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-col... Louisiana is 32nd for tax revue per capita.

triceratops 5mo ago

I've been to Louisiana and most of those countries. Going by the eye test, Louisiana was the poorest.

sarchertech 5mo ago
There’s a difference between “there exists people there who are poor” and the state and local governments are poor. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-collections-per-capita/ https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-col... Louisiana is 32nd for tax revue per capita.
- triceratops 5mo ago
  Then why does the state look so poor? And why do you think their governments will spend money on helping people now?
  - sarchertech 5mo ago
    It’s looks poor because there are some very poor people living there because they are the descendants of slaves and share croppers who are still suffering as a result of that. However if you have look at average incomes and state revenue which represents the resources available, which was the what I was responding to. Whether they chose to use those resources is a different question. Also even looking at something like average or median personal income, Louisiana ranks in or near the top 20 counties in the world. What you’re seeing is that America has a terrible safety net so the floor is much lower than most of Europe.
    - Danox 5mo ago
      From the panhandle of Florida all the way through Port Arthur in Texas that area is one of the poorest places in the United States. It’s not even close. And anyone that could get out they left a long time ago very happy my parents decided to leave that part of the world, the best thing that could’ve happened to the south is that everything from Virginia to South Carolina is gentrifying. The sad part is that a large part of the population don’t realize that the conservative upper end of the population is selling out the conservative lower end.

TylerE 5mo ago

It's not my favorite, but US News has them dead last amongst US states overall. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/louisiana https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/louisiana Subscores: * Crime 50th * Economy 50th * Education 46th and on and on. In fact, I can't find a single top line number when they AREN'T in the bottom 10.

sarchertech 5mo ago
Those things are only correlated with available resources and income though and we can look directly at that here. There’s a difference between “there exists people there who are poor” and the state and local governments are poor. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-collections-per-capita/ https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-col... Louisiana is 32nd for tax revue per capita.
- TylerE 5mo ago
  Feels more than a bit cherrypicked. There is also not much daylight (less than $1000) between them, and, once again, dead last. They're also, once again, dead last in economic oppurtunity. Frankly, I call bullshit on your interpretation. Have you ever set foot in Louisiana? I've lived in the deep south my entire life. The entire south, outside of a few cities is generally pretty poor, but Louisiana/Arkansas/Mississippi is just a different level. That's what happens when you elect a bunch of MAGA morons. PS: The local governments are doing everything possible to NOT help their citizens.
  - SoftTalker 5mo ago
    Right, Louisiana was an affluent state until MAGA came along a few years ago. That region has been impoverished since the Civil War, and even before.
    - TylerE 5mo ago
      Obviously not, but the current administrations method for getting out of a hole is to yell at the workers to dig faster while passing another tax cut for the big corps and billionaires.

mikestew 5mo ago

Louisiana isn’t poor by almost any objective measure. Uh, by the objective measure of my own two eyes? You can trot out all the fancy numbers you want, I’m not blind. The resource extraction that goes on in Louisiana does not necessarily trickle down to its residents nor even stays in the state.

sarchertech 5mo ago
There’s a difference between “there exists people there who are poor” and the state and local governments are poor. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-collections-per-capita/ https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-local-tax-col... Louisiana is 32nd for tax revue per capita.

CamperBob2 5mo ago

Louisiana isn’t poor by almost any objective measure. They’re in the bottom half of US states by GDP per capita (not in the bottom 10), but they’d be in the top 20 countries in the world by GDP per capita if they were a country. Huh? Your link shows them between Chile and Portugal.

sarchertech 5mo ago
You’re looking at GDP not GDP per capita.
- CamperBob2 5mo ago
  Well, those other countries have ~15x-20x more people, so there's that.