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What I'd like to suggest is that all Linux platform developers seriously consider going the opposite way and providing real "computers" to those holdouts, like
by davvid 14y ago
What I'd like to suggest is that all Linux platform developers seriously consider going the opposite way and providing real "computers" to those holdouts, like me, who still need to get real work done and know how to navigate a real file system and even [gasp] a command line.
I hope a gnome dev reads this.
Some of the gnome developers came and visited us onsite earlier this year. They did it to "study real users" and get feedback on the gnome3 UI.
Some background: we were representing ~500+ Real Paying Gnome Users, not some nebulous fantasy persona that gnome hopes to get as a user in the future. We are the real customers. We are high-end computer graphics researchers, software developers, and some of the most talented CG artists in the world.
We are content creators, not content consumers.
My gut feeling after the meeting was that they were so stuck in their decisions that they really didn't care about the feedback we had for them. They spent their time defending their positions with platitudes like, "well, you have to try it first. Maybe it's not that bad".
No one liked the magic hot-corner activities window. That's not how we work. The gnome3 philosophy seems to be centered around single applications that consume the entire window, and no configuration. Our workflow is having lots of separate terminals, windows, and a mix of applications running at once. Our world views are drastically different.
My simple question, "if you move the menu bar to the top, and we all use sloppy-focus, doesn't that mean that if there's a window in-between the active window and the top of the screen that we'll lose focus as we try to move the mouse up to the top menubar?", was met with, "well, we didn't think that through. Yes, there might be problems with sloppy focus. <silence>". Uggh.
It's gotten to the point where we are afraid of what's going to happen when RHEL7 comes around and gnome3 is the default. We are paying customers and we don't want gnome3.
I love everything redhat does for the community, but I can't help but get a sense that they are cannibalizing their current users in hope of gaining some nebulous lowest-common-denominator user in exchange.
I really don't know what's going to happen, but XFCE looks like a serious alternative now. What if redhat won't support us if we use XFCE on the desktop? Well, we might have to search for a competitor. Who's the competition? Who's target customer is the high-end Linux desktop user? If that's you, I'd like to talk to you.
- padraigm 14y agoHas your group taken a serious look at KDE 4? It has reached or exceeded feature parity with KDE 3.5 across the board, it's a lot more stable now than any previous release of KDE ever has been, and it's well supported by RHEL (and SUSE, for that matter). Even though part of the KDE team is putting a lot of work into the tablet interface etc, the system is modular enough that the desktop doesn't suffer for it. A lot of people tried early version in the 4.x series, and up until about 4.6 or so it was a crashy disaster, but it's really shaped up in the last year or two.
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- malnourish 14y agoI'll preface this by mentioning that I am not the level of power-user you are (I don't rely on my OS for my job) therefore your specific needs are far different than mine. Linux Mint has surprised me with v14 and Cinnamon. I used MATE in v13 and never thought I'd try the forsaken GNOME3 again. However with the new update I figured I'd give it a shot. It's actually better, for my use case, than MATE. The workspace switching is very nice, the hotcorner for workspace quick view is great on my laptop, but it's configurable and shortcuts still work fine. Everything runs like it did in Gnome 2/MATE but it feels more modern. All the while Mint is making Linux (well, Debian/Ubuntu) even more user friendly and cohesive. I never want to have iOS or Microsoft's equivalent to be my primary OS. Leave that for my pocket. But I also don't want to roll my own distro (I tried Arch over the summer and ran into too many roadblocks with my laptop). Mint isn't finding a middle ground. It's just what I want.
- xclaesse 14y agoDid you guys give a try to Unity on Ubuntu? I guess Canonical can give commercial support for Ubuntu.